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Subject: Re: [lojban] Making a jbo locale file and package for installation,
 need  some suggestions.
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:06:04 -0400
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 Content preview:  On Monday, July 08, 2013 14:52:25 Feilen Haksan wrote: > I've
    decided to scrape together a Lojban localization file, to match the > one
    used and distributed for Esperanto, to make it so that open source > software
    that takes advantage of locales can easily be translated. > > However I've
    run into a couple things that I think would be best to consult > on first.
    Here's a (mostly comments) version of what I have so far: > > http://pastebin.com/WX3mTMeZ
    > > Anything with %% is to point out something specific. > > *Date/Time:*
    > > Monday-Friday can use the planetary Lojban equivalents, or the > numerical
    equivalents. Which would be preferable? [...] 
 
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On Monday, July 08, 2013 14:52:25 Feilen Haksan wrote:
> I've decided to scrape together a Lojban localization file, to match the
> one used and distributed for Esperanto, to make it so that open source
> software that takes advantage of locales can easily be translated.
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> However I've run into a couple things that I think would be best to consu=
lt
> on first. Here's a (mostly comments) version of what I have so far:
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> http://pastebin.com/WX3mTMeZ
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> Anything with %% is to point out something specific.
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> *Date/Time:*
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> Monday-Friday can use the planetary Lojban equivalents, or the
> numerical equivalents. Which would be preferable?

I'd prefer either the fire-water-wood system or the color system to the num=
ber=20
system. AFAIR the dispute about whether to put "moi" in the number day name=
s=20
hasn't been resolved. The fire system is known throughout East Asia (China =
uses=20
numbers, but I'm sure that Chinese have seen dates written in kanji in=20
Japanese); the color system is peculiar to Lojban.

> Each month has a lujvo and cmene equivalent, again, which would be best?

Fu'ivla. The Gregorian calendar is the fourth version of the Roman calendar=
,=20
so we should use the Roman names. Note that "martio", "prilio", "madjio",=
=20
"djunio", and "djulio" cannot be entered in jbovlaste because of a bug in=
=20
vlatai.

> What do we want for 3-letter abbreviations?

Fire: sol, lur, fag, jac, mud, jim, der.
Color: xun, naj, pel, crn, ccn, bla, zir. Not sure whether Wed should be ri=
'o=20
or rio instead of crn.
Months: ian, fre, mar, pri, mad, djn, djl, avg, sep, okt, nov, dec.
Just asking that presupposes the question: how do we indicate an abbreviati=
on=20
in Lojban? If we don't indicate them as such, someone's going to try to par=
se=20
"naj" as a cmevla, or something like that. We can't use the period, as that=
's=20
used in Lojban to denote a required pause. I've proposed using =D5=9F for t=
his.

> What date format do we use, or do we just inherit it from somewhere else?

For all-numeric dates, year-month-day. Dates written out in full are like "=
lo=20
8moi be lo djulio be lo 2013moi nanca".

> *Numbers:*
> *
> *
> There's no way I can make it output digits as letters, unfortunately. I c=
an
> control decimal points, thousands seperators, and a couple of others.
> Should we leave them as-is?

The file has a comma as the decimal point. I prefer the period, because tha=
t's=20
what programming languages use. My father was French, so I am familiar with=
=20
using the comma.

> On currency, do we have a symbol we wish to use? Would it make sense to u=
se
> EUR? Do we want +/-, just -, or even {ma'u|ni'u}?

Until someone starts issuing a JBR or comes up with a symbol for it, beats =
me.=20
+/- or just - is fine. There's a symbol =C2=A4 called the currency symbol, =
but for=20
what currency, I don't know.

> *LC_MESSAGES:*
> *
> *
> Only really one thing here, what letters are yes, what letters are no?

j (for ja'a) is yes and n is no.

> *Phone/address:*
> *
> *
> Does it really need any change, and if so, where?

The phone number is fine, though not all countries use 00 as the internatio=
nal=20
calling code. As to addresses, I don't know what an address in Lojban would=
=20
look like.

As to names, we don't have equivalents for "Mr." and "Mrs.".

Pierre
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lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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