Received: from mail-vc0-f190.google.com ([209.85.220.190]:63014) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UwNHE-00052R-RM for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:04:01 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f190.google.com with SMTP id ib11sf1531852vcb.17 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:03:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pm4lFhdsJpH/gbjbeL0leVyh4YNZc8eKpeZt+OVBYZo=; b=iH0CzGKy5ur7FvmO+i3GfCun/NMuzidXrTgd2mkzXGWvE7WL5hT0yfwAfd60KfVGNW c1p4j3drTbRxkQYQEgqgs9n+2gALdqwRoykFLPMKvPE5oAaIPvDBo3BklE055OzsDXeE tVOsGqKZdDP2tvuEGMvPzJKR+BBhybmRvrOUQBOdKj5A/054Cn+EvpkYiQvY9GXzkVZy aYhPBxpIOeqrlnR/Rs5TXd3y7z5UQL68oQy7kRDtVRJXnnTmxsAXcaMqn1SN14fyPqKV 7VAoAPmlyI6JtvIjB6NVY7LlOT2PC/q18IzErG1+jtmX/WVZjUVPwPbPoAcfoiD3Q08s ajKg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pm4lFhdsJpH/gbjbeL0leVyh4YNZc8eKpeZt+OVBYZo=; b=mgiQboGOkNi61B6S5JULa4J0/C7O1yvOOFOzsuxeyyZRxFMsm1/JCZoUyzkDaBD+j6 7Ixdr/slder7f83cG4EbxnK2FKQF7+XCas4xNGmqffhOqE59BF+SRL4Ipq3asUrqC1FE 22gmt/h3HQzLh0VJG/eHnjFw45b01HNyg4KeU+avARocH4tMxB2uZ84GTFyc/LZtAT6t ovoLmoKoQFqDCJQFIGSZ9e4iU4EuC+4nRDdANx886Svmd4zYRarHgSvt1I5+qeIcUDMO FgxbAuTqtfD8+R/SJTbICbYBi73rjEZ2xgsTd4PlRlSrjLKa5gWG2AQ9+txJtrENQZd8 R5BA== X-Received: by 10.50.45.35 with SMTP id j3mr1243210igm.3.1373335410162; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:03:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.78.193 with SMTP id d1ls4405639igx.28.canary; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.250.196 with SMTP id ze4mr1903692pac.29.1373335409684; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-x231.google.com (mail-pb0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:400e:c01::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cw1si2716865pbb.0.2013.07.08.19.03.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of feilen1000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c01::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c01::231; Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id jt11so4955304pbb.22 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:03:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.157.68 with SMTP id wk4mr26063921pab.17.1373335409578; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.131.41 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 19:03:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1bba0d87-c794-4bb3-b005-8a26057522bb@googlegroups.com> References: <1bba0d87-c794-4bb3-b005-8a26057522bb@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:03:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Making a jbo locale file and package for installation, need some suggestions. From: Feilen Haksan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: feilen1000@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of feilen1000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c01::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=feilen1000@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86c5cc3edd3a04e10a913d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b86c5cc3edd3a04e10a913d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmm. Well, it seems that there's some community disagreement. Gregorian calendar and color- or material-based names isn't, well, culturally neutral, which Lojban is supposed to be. There's already some standardization that ties days to numbers, but there's also some that use planets. I'm leaning for numbers. Does anyone else have a weigh-in? On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Feilen Haksan wrote: > Pierre, > > Thank you very much for your detailed response. I've adjusted as follows: > http://pastebin.com/yb3EyzWR > > Left currency symbol as EUR. > Decimal point is a [.], as it's likely computing will be a first point on > lojbanists' priorities. > Added days using the color system, which seems more systematic than the > alternative. > Short date format is fine. > LC_MESSAGES now accepts 'j' or 'n' > Paper... paper? Paper. > Titles removed from names. > Packaging script that comes with Arch Esperanto package (and most other > Esperanto references) have been converted. It will install as "jbo UTF-8" > in /etc/locale.gen, and you can enable it as the default language by > setting the LOCALE field of your /etc/locale.conf to "jbo.utf8" once it's > finished. > > *What's left:* > Should we even have a thousands seperator? > {crino} still undecided for abbreviation. > I couldn't find a list of fu'ivla-ized Gregorian calendar months, if you > could list names that would work fine. > Date format has to include (to be consistent with the current one): Day of > week, day of month, month abbr, year, 24-hr time, timezone. > Remainder of name information needs to be finalized, should we use {la}? > Filling out and unicode-paging fields when it's finalized. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/t7ypnWTR2S0/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Hmm. Well, it seems that there's some community disagr= eement. Gregorian calendar and color- or material-based names isn't, we= ll, culturally neutral, which Lojban is supposed to be. There's already= some standardization that ties days to numbers, but there's also some = that use planets. I'm leaning for numbers. Does anyone else have a weig= h-in?


On Mon, Jul 8= , 2013 at 9:39 PM, Feilen Haksan <feilen1000@gmail.com> w= rote:
Pierre,

Thank you very mu= ch for your detailed response. I've adjusted as follows:=A0http://pastebin.com/yb3EyzWR=

Left currency symbol as EUR.=A0
Decimal point= is a [.], as it's likely computing will be a first point on lojbanists= ' priorities.
Added days using the color system, which seems = more systematic than the alternative.=A0
Short date format is fine.
LC_MESSAGES now accepts 'j= 9; or 'n'
Paper... paper? Paper.
Titles removed= from names.
Packaging script that comes with Arch Esperanto pack= age (and most other Esperanto references) have been converted. It will inst= all as "jbo UTF-8" in /etc/locale.gen, and you can enable it as t= he default language by setting the LOCALE field of your /etc/locale.conf to= "jbo.utf8" once it's finished.

What's left:
Should we even have a= thousands seperator?
{crino} still undecided for abbreviation.
I couldn't find a list of fu'ivla-ized Gregorian calendar = months, if you could list names that would work fine.
Date format has to include (to be consistent with the current one): Da= y of week, day of month, month abbr, year, 24-hr time, timezone.=A0
Remainder of name information needs to be finalized, should we use {la}?=
Filling out and unicode-paging fields when it's finalized.

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