Received: from mail-ie0-f185.google.com ([209.85.223.185]:59174) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UwYT9-0002xb-Dj for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:43 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f185.google.com with SMTP id s9sf1740533iec.12 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=aHSO4KWEQOvY3MnNvpKLQ3sYkNcjiddNe8VRif6Wb0w=; b=gGv5bX22K9v0aZYbcszJrGYIAnLBZM3MgdzhYLqVsbk0gQ3WH0aFtIe0uVBF3G2unh fTaFaVXgZGngUjni98BL+YzfJ/Ott/uj8DkttGgly2e8RIDMy0hLQEfWEsIh74MzCiHb TqEJwz/cC1gQds/82qThFy/e5Wp+MIEo1t4FmvPzd2YuYq32Yn79JYjGcIDjUiqhUeHu ydfZrT6Bt4USHcI6LRIxJlXPhpAEFx3n9KSl6pCChjZKBP/ZQSeHbKXpPzvoWqedFpUE um7npT33CgBTXB6dOoGyG4sC6sAPXKVdklAHZ1adQqwJLkWY0HQjxtSqtyL3KWyLHglJ 78Hg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=aHSO4KWEQOvY3MnNvpKLQ3sYkNcjiddNe8VRif6Wb0w=; b=O+YkKKBrWRLxeXy3qGbtuEsf3dPDi5xClac4LH/VempfA1Utw5xI8a5Hsyfo5Pa5Le 0hRJp1Q5pAW8Gyq28cDFRSVo3krxYKCJ10S0Tcxc0k2EMTMu2Q9mH+eCidUkH4m64Dq8 kte0x3VKkSTbaPjR9BfZhNV+PqEqhCj+QFpnd3gKZvUsGMpSQNzU1qIHJuigB8buwUGU r6pD12K7068whLr53+PxYWRhSutPFH6h3fD38rMej88/+43dAYRQRVLhYLDoro6a8gAk 2qMVMVvwoDUauCh2iTZCagL4O5J55DabLZa1nr1vGQtkzqIsdjjei+6jgGpyVclN8Scn YpCQ== X-Received: by 10.50.131.135 with SMTP id om7mr1361060igb.7.1373378433250; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.115.36 with SMTP id jl4ls3290261igb.17.gmail; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.151.10 with SMTP id um10mr2348598pab.0.1373378432747; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com (mail-pa0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sb8si3304066pac.2.2013.07.09.07.00.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of feilen1000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235; Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id tj12so5613000pac.12 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.67.2.71 with SMTP id bm7mr27560195pad.144.1373378432638; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.131.41 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.131.41 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <636f8283-17f1-4bb8-9bb5-6b88ba1d9c7d@googlegroups.com> References: <636f8283-17f1-4bb8-9bb5-6b88ba1d9c7d@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Making a jbo locale file and package for installation, need some suggestions. From: Feilen Haksan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: feilen1000@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of feilen1000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=feilen1000@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15ac979ea3b004e114956d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b15ac979ea3b004e114956d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I did sort of like the colors, as they follow a similar regularity to a numerical system without the associated blandness. However most/all of the people I spoke to on IRC disagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so I'll wait for their responses. If they don't in a day or two, I'll fall back to using color systems. But what about months? The thing is, it's less important what is more exciting, but what's more intuitive, and more directly what's most common in Lojban. I could make a @skari sublocale if desired, using more standard Lojbanic months for the root locale. On Jul 9, 2013 9:52 AM, "la arxokuna" wrote: > I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might > be better. > It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically precise > logical language. > This color system can be part of a totally independent Lojbani culture. > > I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i} for July) as > zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to precession effects. > And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the route of the sun > into more than 12 elements). > > However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric system) it'd be > wise to use Georgian names. > > Why should we name January the first month when New Year is in February in > China? > Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it's in fact > the seventh month? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/t7ypnWTR2S0/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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I did sort of like the colors, as they follow a similar regu= larity to a numerical system without the associated blandness. However most= /all of the people I spoke to on IRC disagreed. I told them to weigh in her= e, so I'll wait for their responses. If they don't in a day or two,= I'll fall back to using color systems. But what about months?

The thing is, it's less important what is more exciting,= but what's more intuitive, and more directly what's most common in= Lojban. I could make a @skari sublocale if desired, using more standard Lo= jbanic months for the root locale.

On Jul 9, 2013 9:52 AM, "la arxokuna" = <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might be= better.
It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematica= lly precise logical language.
This color system can be part of a = totally independent Lojbani culture.

I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajuk= ma'i} for July) as zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due = to precession effects. And it's not culturally neutral (some nations di= vided the route of the sun into more than 12 elements).

However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric = system) it'd be wise to use Georgian names.

Wh= y should we name January the first month when New Year is in February in Ch= ina?
Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it= 9;s in fact the seventh month?

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