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 Content preview:  On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:00:32 PM UTC+4, Feilen Haksan wrote:
    > > I did sort of like the colors, as they follow a similar regularity to
    a > numerical system without the associated blandness. However most/all of
    the > people I spoke to on IRC disagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so
    I'll > wait for their responses. If they don't in a day or two, I'll fall
    back to > using color systems. But what about months? > > The thing is, it's
    less important what is more exciting, but what's more > intuitive, and more
    directly what's most common in Lojban. > We are not talking about Muslims
    lunar or Judaic lunisolar or Chinese or whatever calendar. We area talking
    about Gregorian calendar, a system preseting certain fixes of approximating
    tropical year ({djedi li 365,2421998} long). [...] 
 
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:00:32 PM UTC+4, Feilen Haksan wrote:
>
> I did sort of like the colors, as they follow a similar regularity to a 
> numerical system without the associated blandness. However most/all of the 
> people I spoke to on IRC disagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so I'll 
> wait for their responses. If they don't in a day or two, I'll fall back to 
> using color systems. But what about months? 
>
> The thing is, it's less important what is more exciting, but what's more 
> intuitive, and more directly what's most common in Lojban.
>
We are not talking about Muslims lunar or Judaic lunisolar or Chinese or 
whatever calendar. We area talking about Gregorian calendar, a system 
preseting certain fixes of approximating tropical year ({djedi li 
365,2421998} long).

So 
ianvari
februari (note that Wikipedia uses {frebruari} which is not necessary under 
camxes now)
martio
prilio
madjio
djunio
djulio
avgusto
septembero
oktobero
novmbero
decmbero

 
> I could make a @skari sublocale if desired, using more standard Lojbanic 
> months for the root locale. 
> On Jul 9, 2013 9:52 AM, "la arxokuna" <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might 
>> be better.
>> It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically precise 
>> logical language.
>> This color system can be part of a totally independent Lojbani culture.
>>
>> I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i} for July) as 
>> zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to precession effects. 
>> And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the route of the sun 
>> into more than 12 elements).
>>
>> However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric system) it'd be 
>> wise to use Georgian names.
>>
>> Why should we name January the first month when New Year is in February 
>> in China?
>> Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it's in fact 
>> the seventh month?
>>
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<br><br>On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:00:32 PM UTC+4, Feilen Haksan wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><p dir=3D"ltr">I did sort of like =
the colors, as they follow a similar regularity to a numerical system witho=
ut the associated blandness. However most/all of the people I spoke to on I=
RC disagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so I'll wait for their response=
s. If they don't in a day or two, I'll fall back to using color systems. Bu=
t what about months? </p>

<p dir=3D"ltr">The thing is, it's less important what is more exciting, but=
 what's more intuitive, and more directly what's most common in Lojban.</p>=
</blockquote><div>We are not talking about Muslims lunar or Judaic lunisola=
r or Chinese or whatever calendar. We area talking about Gregorian calendar=
, a system preseting certain fixes of approximating tropical year ({djedi l=
i 365,2421998} long).</div><div><br></div><div>So&nbsp;</div><div>ianvari</=
div><div>februari (note that Wikipedia uses {frebruari} which is not necess=
ary under camxes now)</div><div>martio</div><div>prilio</div><div>madjio</d=
iv><div>djunio</div><div>djulio</div><div>avgusto</div><div>septembero</div=
><div>oktobero</div><div>novmbero</div><div>decmbero</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-=
left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><p dir=3D"ltr">=
 I could make a @skari sublocale if desired, using more standard Lojbanic m=
onths for the root locale. </p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 9, 2013 9:52 AM, "la arxokuna" &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"v9Kgylm8jlEJ">=
gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might be=
 better.<div>It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically =
precise logical language.</div><div>This color system can be part of a tota=
lly independent Lojbani culture.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i=
} for July) as zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to prece=
ssion effects. And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the ro=
ute of the sun into more than 12 elements).</div>
<div><br></div><div>However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric =
system) it'd be wise to use Georgian names.</div><div><br></div><div>Why sh=
ould we name January the first month when New Year is in February in China?=
</div>
<div>Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it's in f=
act the seventh month?<br><div><br></div></div>

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