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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:17:12 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Making a jbo locale file and package for
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This seems sane. For now I'm just going to stick with gregorian convention,
even though I can't seem to find it used anywhere in Lojban texts. Any
suggestions as far as days of the week? If rlpowell's ever available I may
find time to consult him to resolve this.
On Jul 9, 2013 10:11 AM, "la arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:00:32 PM UTC+4, Feilen Haksan wrote:
>>
>> I did sort of like the colors, as they follow a similar regularity to a
>> numerical system without the associated blandness. However most/all of the
>> people I spoke to on IRC disagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so I'll
>> wait for their responses. If they don't in a day or two, I'll fall back to
>> using color systems. But what about months?
>>
>> The thing is, it's less important what is more exciting, but what's more
>> intuitive, and more directly what's most common in Lojban.
>>
> We are not talking about Muslims lunar or Judaic lunisolar or Chinese or
> whatever calendar. We area talking about Gregorian calendar, a system
> preseting certain fixes of approximating tropical year ({djedi li
> 365,2421998} long).
>
> So
> ianvari
> februari (note that Wikipedia uses {frebruari} which is not necessary
> under camxes now)
> martio
> prilio
> madjio
> djunio
> djulio
> avgusto
> septembero
> oktobero
> novmbero
> decmbero
>
>
>
>> I could make a @skari sublocale if desired, using more standard Lojbanic
>> months for the root locale.
>> On Jul 9, 2013 9:52 AM, "la arxokuna" <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might
>>> be better.
>>> It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically precise
>>> logical language.
>>> This color system can be part of a totally independent Lojbani culture.
>>>
>>> I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i} for July) as
>>> zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to precession effects.
>>> And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the route of the sun
>>> into more than 12 elements).
>>>
>>> However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric system) it'd be
>>> wise to use Georgian names.
>>>
>>> Why should we name January the first month when New Year is in February
>>> in China?
>>> Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it's in
>>> fact the seventh month?
>>>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">This seems sane. For now I&#39;m just going to stick with gr=
egorian convention, even though I can&#39;t seem to find it used anywhere i=
n Lojban texts. Any suggestions as far as days of the week? If rlpowell&#39=
;s ever available I may find time to consult him to resolve this. </p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 9, 2013 10:11 AM, &quot;la arxokuna&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br><br>On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:00:32 PM UTC+4, Feilen Haksan wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">I did sort of like the c=
olors, as they follow a similar regularity to a numerical system without th=
e associated blandness. However most/all of the people I spoke to on IRC di=
sagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so I&#39;ll wait for their responses=
. If they don&#39;t in a day or two, I&#39;ll fall back to using color syst=
ems. But what about months? </p>


<p dir=3D"ltr">The thing is, it&#39;s less important what is more exciting,=
 but what&#39;s more intuitive, and more directly what&#39;s most common in=
 Lojban.</p></blockquote><div>We are not talking about Muslims lunar or Jud=
aic lunisolar or Chinese or whatever calendar. We area talking about Gregor=
ian calendar, a system preseting certain fixes of approximating tropical ye=
ar ({djedi li 365,2421998} long).</div>
<div><br></div><div>So=A0</div><div>ianvari</div><div>februari (note that W=
ikipedia uses {frebruari} which is not necessary under camxes now)</div><di=
v>martio</div><div>prilio</div><div>madjio</div><div>djunio</div><div>djuli=
o</div>
<div>avgusto</div><div>septembero</div><div>oktobero</div><div>novmbero</di=
v><div>decmbero</div><div><br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<p dir=3D"ltr"> I could make a @skari sublocale if desired, using more stan=
dard Lojbanic months for the root locale. </p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 9, 2013 9:52 AM, &quot;la arxokuna&quot; =
&lt;<a>gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">

I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might be=
 better.<div>It&#39;ll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematica=
lly precise logical language.</div><div>This color system can be part of a =
totally independent Lojbani culture.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I can&#39;t agree with animal naming of months ({mlajuk=
ma&#39;i} for July) as zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due =
to precession effects. And it&#39;s not culturally neutral (some nations di=
vided the route of the sun into more than 12 elements).</div>

<div><br></div><div>However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric =
system) it&#39;d be wise to use Georgian names.</div><div><br></div><div>Wh=
y should we name January the first month when New Year is in February in Ch=
ina?</div>

<div>Why September is {sozymasti} when as it&#39;s etymology suggests it=
9;s in fact the seventh month?<br><div><br></div></div>

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