Received: from mail-qa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.216.57]:36734) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwbnb-0005L3-4K for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:34:09 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id hu16sf1826084qab.22 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/MxGu5ISZMT8KkHGaWeYvfSsz60j9NDuMZbpTLIUHis=; b=m11GvbBEmuxXSeNLXW0m7rUG/CG/m3AqdsdhyOUnZWvUYLw4HwsYQ0T/P87DcI1EmD 0E4W3blGhNLRvXWkMlGk1kKbJSoLVtKaS7s8hbHIeXwo9BvmxPBO5GUTt8HfjeKhobgO RWXLeIJ1mwaqFufM4SnkinnF0X49t54WHn2gPY9enMe1EJe8Asw7qO1/+i0ZAsrB0pEs TKQOu6xyGHzisRSPPsXOxaI0O3veK2U2dUu3/y4Dv7mxsOAkca69ZRwHBMOO6v2J9m/c 6Dp5N9aGpVv1SprIwuZ+xMuUffhE0lHe3N1QhHdtP09fmC3Vqe77WVEOzJnCRmEklMhg yNwg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/MxGu5ISZMT8KkHGaWeYvfSsz60j9NDuMZbpTLIUHis=; b=Ma/0MnALyJW4A8v+fL+PvJxQ+hR8fWOcB1tVlUDToMKX9XcT5vinXKk2rrZ1/U6STy xCtXJ1r7ocKKWPxBHMIjj4fGruhlmHNMRlFSPDQ2CkEtqQjMYGZZektDvu8VwL+gokwh q4hbUJxj3hsXlPmMxfYqsRjiaICxbXZbpnKuvORLpqqCbVIQ5GauMwv4Dj1eVJkU4xCo 7YYKrf+akbcuiqgXHyQMtIwdYDcDdpvkFAb5NNZ7Ab5P7dZvgcw6RMr/JeZBlgyYS2pI hcWWEjKd9d+WBu0+cM5kAZP43f319oMwYBkzhQ1k+y7gyGYkEHdRJ2ySkAOvzHPgWdVI P27w== X-Received: by 10.49.48.201 with SMTP id o9mr799736qen.42.1373391232741; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.71.114 with SMTP id t18ls2303364qeu.61.gmail; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.5.106 with SMTP id r10mr744747qer.11.1373391232467; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <7734ddb0-7764-468c-9625-5661e6ff7dea@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20130708172215.GA4227@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20130709024026.GB4227@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: "more". MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_986_22613252.1373391231685" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_986_22613252.1373391231685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:27:25 PM UTC+4, Latro wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, la arxokuna > > wrote: > >> I don't believe one can easily determine if the current context has >> xo'e=1; or xo'e=0; Who decides? What is the defining criterion? If you are >> unsure za'u quickly becomes a synonym of su'o and we lose plural marker. >> > I think you could add a more explicit convention that the hidden {xo'e} is > always >=1. > Then it makes sense. Although for "wanna more milk?" I'd use {aupei ve zmadu ladru} and that is unrelated to {za'u}. 0 is sufficiently special that it really should never be allowed to be > hidden. > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_986_22613252.1373391231685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:27:25 PM UTC+4, Latro wrote:
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:= 18 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
I don't believe one can easily determin= e if the current context has xo'e=3D1; or xo'e=3D0; Who decides? What is th= e defining criterion? If you are unsure za'u quickly becomes a synonym of s= u'o and we lose plural marker.
I think you could add a more explicit convention that the= hidden {xo'e} is always >=3D1.


Then it makes sense. Although for "wanna mor= e milk?" I'd use {aupei ve zmadu ladru} and that is unrelated to {za'u}.


0 is sufficiently= special that it really should never be allowed to be hidden.
mi'e la latro'a mu'o 

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