Received: from mail-ob0-f188.google.com ([209.85.214.188]:35260) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwkkc-0000nI-PF for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:39 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f188.google.com with SMTP id ta17sf1916735obb.25 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RUDmA/W+CmVqZolalt5hyEKMSYWUn75Syh/GQBfMXmg=; b=Jt65hBNSusKS7N0X+EsafAJfEjJcUdbDXkS2j4V7xBGWY/HF8Uh/zn9cmXTdki/8qj eKcm8xQTeWhFs+n8MOyl2W2rSbgbOLC/RKATByieVIqr/mmFIXIzQZI+zBsIUxdRUVfi nsKcT1CStHoMYKBTc8hdDyWn7vo7i4+Dse+br7vViClwb/5z9ZuNMp1uiDXWTbGYrBvk ax1dWd9Qwdvr6IjSvlUqD7xjrR3PMHGGdyAsHU5swyfJmv8CTwpjNb9uV0IKsXdtpGN8 TaNoUIgkyAkO1vVQ9+aHJgmuK5rHfFOG/w92S+EoCvBiUSubUo0F1PJ9cxGA86sxxmq+ T3ow== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RUDmA/W+CmVqZolalt5hyEKMSYWUn75Syh/GQBfMXmg=; b=x4c325nZBlQ2K/rZmf33lMiLZvqnWYhWcaF1IUNCvObVNvzStrJulXdqwuO76FUGlN 4rrxpEes3M/N54Em9Vfxr/fFFLAdsuChzlXBzrGolaDm3cBBHG2e3d1IgeQXUkaML6IS PC7Q9kxOEi4tq4JYAc/CJot+Jtwq2VB9a4/Xx5DLfA1/XLjx4b8gCcFhUE1u+18gNvFX pVP5T+O4SoP7YQjMgmRVCtFG/g/19km/KOPDbpQmxOtF1s366RJln/VVJp0XY0ta+r8V hl4jzanIC0Lhzwe5LTZ3T+4Wa5cMkDzfOXRQ5SciA5WBVjenvBaIS//u4byCseAY/pLb 3j1A== X-Received: by 10.50.4.99 with SMTP id j3mr2818621igj.6.1373425644304; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.32.105 with SMTP id h9ls3477014igi.43.gmail; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.129.8 with SMTP id ns8mr25008888igb.0.1373425643643; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-x234.google.com (mail-oa0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vn1si3446260igb.1.2013.07.09.20.07.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::234; Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id g12so8810056oah.39 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.133.235 with SMTP id pf11mr26497009oeb.38.1373425643380; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:07:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.105.169 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 20:07:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7734ddb0-7764-468c-9625-5661e6ff7dea@googlegroups.com> References: <20130708172215.GA4227@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20130709024026.GB4227@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <7734ddb0-7764-468c-9625-5661e6ff7dea@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 23:07:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: "more". To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b4190599969ae04e11f9347 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b4190599969ae04e11f9347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How about {zenba}? .i xu do djica lo nu zenba lo ka (ba'o) pinxe lo ladru xokaumei Obviously, that's way to long to be productive, but {.i .aupei ladru pinxe zenba} ? "Do you want to increase in the property of ." On 9 July 2013 13:33, la arxokuna wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:27:25 PM UTC+4, Latro wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, la arxokuna wrote: >> >>> I don't believe one can easily determine if the current context has >>> xo'e=1; or xo'e=0; Who decides? What is the defining criterion? If you are >>> unsure za'u quickly becomes a synonym of su'o and we lose plural marker. >>> >> I think you could add a more explicit convention that the hidden {xo'e} >> is always >=1. >> > > > Then it makes sense. Although for "wanna more milk?" I'd use {aupei ve > zmadu ladru} and that is unrelated to {za'u}. > > > 0 is sufficiently special that it really should never be allowed to be >> hidden. >> >> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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How about {zenba}?

.i xu do djica lo nu= zenba lo ka (ba'o) pinxe lo ladru xokaumei
Obviously, that's wa= y to long to be productive, but {.i .aupei ladru pinxe zenba} ?
"Do= you want to increase in the property of <how much milk you have drunk&g= t;."


On 9 Ju= ly 2013 13:33, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:27:25 PM = UTC+4, Latro wrote:
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe one can easily dete= rmine if the current context has xo'e=3D1; or xo'e=3D0; Who decides= ? What is the defining criterion? If you are unsure za'u quickly become= s a synonym of su'o and we lose plural marker.
I think you could add a more explicit convention that the= hidden {xo'e} is always >=3D1.
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Then it makes sense. Although for = "wanna more milk?" I'd use {aupei ve zmadu ladru} and that is= unrelated to {za'u}.


0 is sufficiently special that it really should never be allowed to b= e hidden.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o=A0

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