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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Making a jbo locale file and package for
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I... May have missed something. Numbers are very culturally biased, because
of course no one uses numbers. Colors on the other hand aren't because you
made it (or it's used in China?)

I still think neutrality is important, but gleki brought up a good point on
IRC : There's no way to be neutral when we're using someone else's calendar
already.
On Jul 10, 2013 9:06 AM, "Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

>   Well, before any of the IRC people weigh, I vote color days.   I HATE
> the number day system as being very culturally biased.  Of course, I also
> created the color day system, so I am me-biased...
>
>    --gejyspa
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 5:52:54 PM UTC+4, la arxokuna wrote:
>>>
>>> I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might
>>> be better.
>>> It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically precise
>>> logical language.
>>> This color system can be part of a totally independent Lojbani culture.
>>>
>>> I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i} for July) as
>>> zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to precession effects.
>>> And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the route of the sun
>>> into more than 12 elements).
>>>
>>> However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric system) it'd be
>>> wise to use Georgian names.
>>>
>>
>> o'anai clearly I meant to say GREGORIAN.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Why should we name January the first month when New Year is in February
>>> in China?
>>> Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it's in
>>> fact the seventh month?
>>>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I... May have missed something. Numbers are very culturally =
biased, because of course no one uses numbers. Colors on the other hand are=
n&#39;t because you made it (or it&#39;s used in China?) </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I still think neutrality is important, but gleki brought up =
a good point on IRC : There&#39;s no way to be neutral when we&#39;re using=
 someone else&#39;s calendar already. </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 10, 2013 9:06 AM, &quot;Michael Turniansk=
y&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 Well, before any of the IRC people weigh, I vote color=
 days. =A0 I HATE the number day system as being very culturally biased. =
=A0Of course, I also created the color day system, so I am me-biased...<div=
><br></div>

<div>=A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM, la arxo=
kuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br><br>On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 5:52:5=
4 PM UTC+4, la arxokuna wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might be=
 better.<div>It&#39;ll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematica=
lly precise logical language.</div><div>This color system can be part of a =
totally independent Lojbani culture.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I can&#39;t agree with animal naming of months ({mlajuk=
ma&#39;i} for July) as zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due =
to precession effects. And it&#39;s not culturally neutral (some nations di=
vided the route of the sun into more than 12 elements).</div>

<div><br></div><div>However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric =
system) it&#39;d be wise to use Georgian names.</div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div></div><div>o&#39;anai clearly I meant to say GREGORIAN.</div><div>

<div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;marg=
in-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><=
div>Why should we name January the first month when New Year is in February=
 in China?</div>

<div>Why September is {sozymasti} when as it&#39;s etymology suggests it=
9;s in fact the seventh month?<br><div><br></div></div></blockquote>

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