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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2646_2210610.1373462866653" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2646_2210610.1373462866653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:11:42 PM UTC+4, Feilen Haksan wrote: > > I... May have missed something. Numbers are very culturally biased, > because of course no one uses numbers. > Chinese uses numbers to name Gregorian months. > Colors on the other hand aren't because you made it (or it's used in > China?) > > I still think neutrality is important, but gleki brought up a good point > on IRC : There's no way to be neutral when we're using someone else's > calendar already. > ti'e even bacteria have 7-day cycles. so it might be neutral. Of course we might ask {ma jalge?}. Is it humanity that forces bacteria to follow this worldwide artificial cycle. Or is it nature that forces people to use it's 7-day cycle? > On Jul 10, 2013 9:06 AM, "Michael Turniansky" > > wrote: > >> Well, before any of the IRC people weigh, I vote color days. I HATE >> the number day system as being very culturally biased. Of course, I also >> created the color day system, so I am me-biased... >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM, la arxokuna >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 5:52:54 PM UTC+4, la arxokuna wrote: >>>> >>>> I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) >>>> might be better. >>>> It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically precise >>>> logical language. >>>> This color system can be part of a totally independent Lojbani culture. >>>> >>>> I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i} for July) as >>>> zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to precession effects. >>>> And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the route of the sun >>>> into more than 12 elements). >>>> >>>> However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric system) it'd be >>>> wise to use Georgian names. >>>> >>> >>> o'anai clearly I meant to say GREGORIAN. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Why should we name January the first month when New Year is in February >>>> in China? >>>> Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it's in >>>> fact the seventh month? >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/t7ypnWTR2S0/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:11:42 PM UTC+4, Feilen Haksan wrote:<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord= er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">

I... May have mi= ssed something. Numbers are very culturally biased, because of course no on= e uses numbers.


Chinese uses numbers to= name Gregorian months.
 

Colors on the other hand aren't because you= made it (or it's used in China?)

I still think neutrality is important, but gleki brought up = a good point on IRC : There's no way to be neutral when we're using someone= else's calendar already.


ti'e even bac= teria have 7-day cycles. so it might be neutral. Of course we might ask {ma= jalge?}. Is it humanity that forces bacteria to follow this worldwide arti= ficial cycle. Or is it nature that forces people to use it's 7-day cycle?
 

On Jul 10, 2013 9:06 AM, "Michael Turniansky" &l= t;mturn...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Well, before any of the IRC people weigh, I vote co= lor days.   I HATE the number day system as being very culturally bias= ed.  Of course, I also created the color day system, so I am me-biased= ...

   --gejyspa



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 5:52:5= 4 PM UTC+4, la arxokuna wrote:
I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might be= better.
It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically = precise logical language.
This color system can be part of a tota= lly independent Lojbani culture.

I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i= } for July) as zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to prece= ssion effects. And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the ro= ute of the sun into more than 12 elements).

However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric = system) it'd be wise to use Georgian names.

o'anai clearly I meant to say GREGORIAN.
 

Why should we name January the first month when New Year is in Febru= ary in China?
Why September is {sozymasti} when as it's etymology suggests it's in f= act the seventh month?

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