Received: from mail-ob0-f183.google.com ([209.85.214.183]:36837) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UwwfM-00088f-QM for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:51:05 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f183.google.com with SMTP id xk17sf2116421obc.20 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1u5MHvjr0XsitsnGUXKVm2H302+k03vJbVup8p/tn0s=; b=ga6T7hp+Sgi32LBsuEwgqkNkSd8gsSiD0mucio4qUaKqmgFouUjoIFwpVAQz6a/lZK JXaKaE8iVDNUGWq335G6zSb3iCSGik2XnS/9gkAXar5y2AO9K4an/u3FfD1FdTlTz6hv nRn5/3IXFg0Oryl5pOb1ZuQE/1F5qAhB7kVxAFWCVIy2/5kf0eHpf4kHOwhFJ5f0nWhO fYLV0Hb3351uh1f8fT9Xx9TxOTP2BAHvt8HmrlTLmoYbpIxzXw5EiprFltgIHisKegU7 o/LT9ThVM3aI97natUrcr1ZMQAYUJIgkpbrPXqAOH66RiJ0B0ZNS2vtBlBozdB0AK3qY 8bcw== X-Received: by 10.49.17.42 with SMTP id l10mr942835qed.10.1373471446653; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.86.7 with SMTP id l7ls2592805qez.51.gmail; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.123.173 with SMTP id v33mr17442780yhh.31.1373471445274; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n70si1969413yhj.7.2013.07.10.08.50.44 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CDC217C2 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Making a jbo locale file and package for installation, need some suggestions. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1779348.ZmjlHiIaTZ@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-48-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 09:16:38 Michael Turniansky wrote: > Actually, there are natlangs that do use numbers. For example, Hebrew's > days of the week translate to first day, second day, third day, fourth day, > fifth day, sixth day, Sabbath. This system has been in use for thousands > of years and still is. (And of course is in direct conflict to the the > nominal lojbanic system). And it steps on the toes of anyone who equates > the seventh day with Saturday (i.e. those form the jegvo religions). So do Portuguese (as I mentioned earlier) and Greek, except that they have a non-numeric word for Sunday and, in Greek, for Friday. However, Hmong, if I remember right from a conversation many years ago, numbers Monday as first. Slavic languages (and Hungarian which borrowed some Slavic words) call Tuesday second, Thursday fourth, and Friday fifth, but Wednesday middle, indicating that Sunday would be zeroth if it had a number. On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 09:11:42 Feilen Haksan wrote: > I... May have missed something. Numbers are very culturally biased, because > of course no one uses numbers. Colors on the other hand aren't because you > made it (or it's used in China?) The system used in Japan and Korea (Chinese uses numbers) is the fire-water- wood system. As the Japanese write the days of the week in Chinese characters, it's likely that the Chinese know which day is fire-day, even though the Chinese use numbers. Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.