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Subject: [lojban] How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a picture?
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Hello everybody!

I've been wondering something for a while about ZOI quotes. They exist 
for enabling incorporating things that aren't Lojbanic text or utterance 
into a Lojban sentence. For instance they ebable you inserting visual 
things that aren't Lojban text, such as foreign language writting or 
pictures (written medium), or non-Lojbanic utterances or sounds (spoken 
speech).

This is certainly quite useful, but it results in a break in the 
audio-visual isomorphism of the langage. This isn't much of a problem 
with foreign language quotes (provided that the reader knows the 
language used), phonetic transcriptions and other codings that have both 
a written and a spoken form; however, pictures and non-linguistics 
sounds (for example) are more problematic.

My questions are the followings:
. How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a picture?
. How to write down a spoken ZOI quote containing non-linguistic sounds?

If there were a way to replace (in direct quotes/transcriptions) the 
content of the ZOI quote with an alternative Lojbanic description (such 
as a description of the picture within such a quote), this would solve 
this problem, but I can't think of a clean way of doing so without 
altering too much the sentence content (thus breaking direct 
quotation/transcription). For instance, {to'i} doesn't seem of much help 
here. :)

Any idea or comment would be greatly appreciated. ?

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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    <font face="Tahoma">Hello everybody!<br>
      <br>
      I've been wondering something for a while about ZOI quotes. They
      exist for enabling incorporating things that aren't Lojbanic text
      or utterance into a Lojban sentence. For instance they ebable you
      inserting visual things that aren't Lojban text, such as foreign
      language writting or pictures (written medium), or non-Lojbanic
      utterances or sounds (spoken speech).<br>
      <br>
      This is certainly quite useful, but it results in a break in the
      audio-visual isomorphism of the langage. This isn't much of a
      problem with foreign language quotes (provided that the reader
      knows the language used), phonetic transcriptions and other
      codings that have both a written and a spoken form; however,
      pictures and non-linguistics sounds (for example) are more
      problematic.<br>
      <br>
      My questions are the followings:<br>
      &#8226; How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a picture?<br>
      &#8226; How to write down a spoken ZOI quote containing non-linguistic
      sounds?<br>
      <br>
      If there were a way to replace (in direct quotes/transcriptions)
      the content of the ZOI quote with an alternative Lojbanic
      description (such as a description of the picture within such a
      quote), this would solve this problem, but I can't think of a
      clean way of doing so without altering too much the sentence
      content (thus breaking direct quotation/transcription). For
      instance, {to'i} doesn't seem of much help here. :)<br>
      <br>
      Any idea or comment would be greatly appreciated. &#9834;<br>
      <br>
      mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
      <br>
      <br>
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