Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:25:06 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a picture?
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On Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:27:39 PM UTC+4, Ilmen wrote:
>
>  Hello everybody!
>
> I've been wondering something for a while about ZOI quotes. They exist fo=
r=20
> enabling incorporating things that aren't Lojbanic text or utterance into=
 a=20
> Lojban sentence. For instance they ebable you inserting visual things tha=
t=20
> aren't Lojban text, such as foreign language writting or pictures (writte=
n=20
> medium), or non-Lojbanic utterances or sounds (spoken speech).
>
> This is certainly quite useful, but it results in a break in the=20
> audio-visual isomorphism of the langage. This isn't much of a problem wit=
h=20
> foreign language quotes (provided that the reader knows the language used=
),=20
> phonetic transcriptions and other codings that have both a written and a=
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> spoken form; however, pictures and non-linguistics sounds (for example) a=
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> more problematic.
>
> My questions are the followings:
> =E2=80=A2 How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a picture?
>

I always thought one should use references to objects from outer world. For=
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that we have LE.

{mi tcidu zoi gy Hello gy e lo pixra}=20

=E2=80=A2 How to write down a spoken ZOI quote containing non-linguistic so=
unds?=20
>

> If there were a way to replace (in direct quotes/transcriptions) the=20
> content of the ZOI quote with an alternative Lojbanic description (such a=
s=20
> a description of the picture within such a quote), this would solve this=
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> problem, but I can't think of a clean way of doing so without altering to=
o=20
> much the sentence content (thus breaking direct quotation/transcription).=
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> For instance, {to'i} doesn't seem of much help here. :)
>
> Any idea or comment would be greatly appreciated. =E2=99=AA
>
> mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o
>
>
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<br><br>On Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:27:39 PM UTC+4, Ilmen wrote:<blockquote =
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <font face=3D"Tahoma">Hello everybody!<br>
      <br>
      I've been wondering something for a while about ZOI quotes. They
      exist for enabling incorporating things that aren't Lojbanic text
      or utterance into a Lojban sentence. For instance they ebable you
      inserting visual things that aren't Lojban text, such as foreign
      language writting or pictures (written medium), or non-Lojbanic
      utterances or sounds (spoken speech).<br>
      <br>
      This is certainly quite useful, but it results in a break in the
      audio-visual isomorphism of the langage. This isn't much of a
      problem with foreign language quotes (provided that the reader
      knows the language used), phonetic transcriptions and other
      codings that have both a written and a spoken form; however,
      pictures and non-linguistics sounds (for example) are more
      problematic.<br>
      <br>
      My questions are the followings:<br>
      =E2=80=A2 How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a pictu=
re?<br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I always thought one s=
hould use references to objects from outer world. For that we have LE.</div=
><div><br></div><div>{mi tcidu zoi gy Hello gy e lo pixra}&nbsp;</div><div>=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left:=
 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFF=
FFF" text=3D"#000000"><font face=3D"Tahoma">
      =E2=80=A2 How to write down a spoken ZOI quote containing non-linguis=
tic
      sounds?</font>&nbsp;</div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><font face=3D"Taho=
ma">
      <br>
      If there were a way to replace (in direct quotes/transcriptions)
      the content of the ZOI quote with an alternative Lojbanic
      description (such as a description of the picture within such a
      quote), this would solve this problem, but I can't think of a
      clean way of doing so without altering too much the sentence
      content (thus breaking direct quotation/transcription). For
      instance, {to'i} doesn't seem of much help here. :)<br>
      <br>
      Any idea or comment would be greatly appreciated. =E2=99=AA<br>
      <br>
      mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </font>
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