Received: from mail-pb0-f60.google.com ([209.85.160.60]:57641) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UzXO8-00046U-7l for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:59 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f60.google.com with SMTP id rr13sf628480pbb.15 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NUmQzSiQvpFAuSntIdVA5mHDvoXjsIqzMm3sZyoDkcY=; b=rNeYgpUnIN+0zOrIWIPPuq1i98ffRNitLKGxpbsStaBY3AbwD8UAnUb+R0qOr6yqeQ vTXjqmQZIAYV7Q/2OfWBRUWIpOJOCK5y2tXjlfqNZn8N6roh/LchEmf5JxfWvo25NaZK K/tFM/15DTQR1Z8VBaymOIxcKBqpYPrRsrdtfvH7kNPCmd5GwCKjeJGJbUh2EDBCVdZo I6FQE4CKr2XCzAw0E8fyz30H9HQW/4pz9r5sMMAkV2dN3Mw8wv1S5gU+y9jXx93djA7g 8zehqiU5R9t8fXQ33Zv4Hs9GhYxyEZYzIdD1H54SjIQ5g8l8gxU3nm5+iCRdRKVM9rvW ub2g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NUmQzSiQvpFAuSntIdVA5mHDvoXjsIqzMm3sZyoDkcY=; b=uEXnFPuMqm4MX590RoPGybqNqGCUo+tMMadkIoqiYWa8Jpjp+0UbOuvyl5thmipc+Q c9undFPwFqZKPsaj1/kn2NqOQVTlTbtGZxmSON6Qt7lJdvw7l9XD5tGCnbtUXAn2tv8L BM7p8I0XtavjoWeqR7Yfmp+cZm76tnt1oxNdOmylvYm9nZgAjHVLMHLS6x+HpJ5RyLJU B3hdlR44LX6CQLRr70/8bITSMKNVj0R4ef9MrxpDAnK6qVjQg5M1DCJZEjyR4o35mrI+ FUfgU7DlY39vq4uIN+Pd0IgANMbJJu+D3QVDkz39Nr+s8VkHlGpopA3TaeFA213c6v5Z 0KoQ== X-Received: by 10.50.79.193 with SMTP id l1mr300304igx.14.1374089261385; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.115.7 with SMTP id jk7ls789400igb.19.gmail; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.12.99 with SMTP id x3mr16097146igb.3.1374089260829; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-x22f.google.com (mail-oa0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b12si2957023igv.0.2013.07.17.12.27.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f; Received: by mail-oa0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id m1so3065091oag.6 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.181.73 with SMTP id du9mr4141364obc.106.1374089260655; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.105.169 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:27:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51E6C139.3000000@gmx.de> References: <7431048.8HQ9emOxx4@caracal> <51E6B9C2.7070409@gmx.de> <51E6C139.3000000@gmx.de> From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] mivzdacti To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d9b76456ae604e1ba163f X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e010d9b76456ae604e1ba163f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To be honest, I was mostly joking about the fairy tale reference. We can restrict the lujvo meaning as much as we like, so long as the Lojban definition is good. As for Gleki's remark, in order for an organism to be parasitic, must it necessarily *eat* its host? If we consider a tapeworm to be a parasite, then the answer is "no", because the tapeworm eats the host's food rather than the host proper. However, I have no suggestions as to how to reflect this in the lujvo. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 17 July 2013 12:07, selpa'i wrote: > It just occured to me that I prefer {mivzdacti} over the other options. > Apart from tsani's argument, I somehow overlooked that {mivzdacti} doesn't > need a -sel- to begin with, so my previous post becomes more or less void. > > mivzdacti = x1 citka x2 noi jmive gi'e zdani vo'a > > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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To be honest, I was mostly joking about the fairy tale ref= erence. We can restrict the lujvo meaning as much as we like, so long as th= e Lojban definition is good.

As for Gleki's remark, = in order for an organism to be parasitic, must it necessarily *eat* its hos= t? If we consider a tapeworm to be a parasite, then the answer is "no&= quot;, because the tapeworm eats the host's food rather than the host p= roper. However, I have no suggestions as to how to reflect this in the lujv= o.=A0

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 17 July 2013 12:07, selp= a'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
It just occured to me that I prefer {mivzdac= ti} over the other options. Apart from tsani's argument, I somehow over= looked that =A0{mivzdacti} doesn't need a -sel- to begin with, so my pr= evious post becomes more or less void.

mivzdacti =3D x1 citka x2 noi jmive gi'e zdani vo'a


mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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