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If not, can we get this into camxes? mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c31170ceca4c04e2457313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Today we found that you can't use MEX with ROI, M= OI, or MAI, even in the PEG. camxes treats a closed MEX (e.g. {vei mo'e= ko'a [te'u ve'o]} as a "quantifier", distinct from P= A* (i.e. PA* =3D PA | PA PA*), which it calls a "number". With MO= I we have the YACC-friendly hack "ME LI MEX MOI", which still coo= perates with the PEG, but as best I can tell there is no such hack for ROI = and MAI.

Would anything go wrong if MEX ROI, MEX MOI, and MEX MAI were mad= e allowed in the PEG? If not, can we get this into camxes?

mi'e = la latro'a mu'o

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