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Hi, it=92s Wuzzy again. In my Lojban studies I encountered there are a lot
of Lojban concepts not expressed by any brivla. Especially the CLL
introduces a lot of concepts which are specifict to Lojban only, yet
Lojban has no brivla for them yet. The English words that lack a Lojban
brivla are, in no particular order:

 * =93letteral=94/=93letter=94 (=93letteral=94 here means =93word that repr=
esents a
letter=94, for Lojban that is =93abu=94, =93by=94, etc. For the sake of
simplicity, this definition does not exclude compound words like =93abu=94
=3D =93a bu=94. And =93letter=94 is the usual English meaning . Now the ann=
oying
thing is, it seems to me that lojbanists seem to currently use =93lerfu=94
to mean =93letter=94 and =93letteral=94 exchangingly. This needs to change
quickly.),
 * =93diphtong=94,
 * =93vowel pair=94 (the lojban vowel pairs of the form =93V'V=94 like =93a=
'a=94,
=93a'e=94, and so on.),
 * =93vowel=94 (in the lojbanic sense, can be either spoken or written)
(=93vowel=94 in the sense of =93sound=94 is =93karsna=94),
 * =93consonant=94 (in the lojbanic sense, can be either spoken or written)
(=93consonant=94 in the sense of =93sound=94 is =93zunsna=94),
 * =93consonant cluster=94,
 * =93consonant pair=94,
 * =93consonant triple=94,
 * =93initial consonant pair=94 (CLL, 3.7),
 * =93buffer=94 (CLL, 3.8),
 * =93stress=94 (CLL, 3.9),
 * =93hyphen=94 (extra letter to build words [Lojban-specific]),
 * =93lojbanic letter=94 (letter that is part of Lojban=92s alphabet),
 * =93stage <n> fu'ivla=94 where =93<n>=94 is one of: =931=94, =932=94, =93=
3=94, =934=94,
 * =93delimeter=94 (in the sense of =93valsi that delimetes a =91zoi=92
quoted string=94),
 * =935-letter rafsi=94,
 * =934-letter rafsi=94,
 * =93long rafsi=94 =3D a 5-letter rafsi or a 4-letter rafsi,
 * =933-letter rafsi=94 or =93short rafsi=94,
 * =93unreduced lujvo=94 a lujvo that is made from at least one long rafsi,
 * =93fully reduced lujvo=94: a lujvo that is made from short rafsi only,
 * =93asymmetrical lujvo=94,
 * =93utterance=94 in the broad sense of =93thing that a KOhA2 cmavo refers
to=94,
 * =93abstractor=94 and
 * =93implicit-abstraction lujvo=94.

I am asking the mailing list for ideas on how to translate above
concepts into Lojban. Yes, it=92s a long list but you don=92t have to
translate everything at once. ;-) Even translation of one concept would
help. :-) It would be best to coin a new lujvo for each concept.

To show that it is possible to express Lojban=92s concepts in Lojban,
here is a brivla I invented quite a time ago:
=93to lojbanize (a name)=94 =3D =93jbocmefanva=94 =3D
=93f1=3Dc3 translates non-Lojban name c1=3Df2 (text) from language f4 to
(lojbanic) cmevla / lojbanized name f5=3Dl1 (text).=94
<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jbocmefanva>

-- Wuzzy

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