Received: from mail-qe0-f56.google.com ([209.85.128.56]:65195) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V2DWl-0005Ig-Tj for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:51:56 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f56.google.com with SMTP id 1sf70021qec.1 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=oJvJetV7OfWKLIavgDdYtcxxyX1Tl7nZJt7FixRpKmU=; b=nLo9IuAzV9E0mAUQLaAih4POs45nI/EqQwbAbLQr4ETVASoW2eNLgFqalh1geza2Oq AgFBTy2Q+7NPTD7oNxOGthAC17PL7Jkrh9LhsqBYS51nblmw+WRYrvX/kBkElEhni6mh 3Lbx6x9TllueJP5GHAMkXS0LzG1c4qfkl9JjEhbDTmX6cOCB6s1l30puX0Q2xHdRCLOb oxmhNorAzT+jRsDrluUGKLbiwSrhb1+ykB8SYF/Npc7kYizis8frjT78XboLbhDkheIU USSlc8WIlw+PDgtqZwH7vyZAnWWvkM61rrI3DA1SV6uZ8eYFE3vWZJC9YHbZn06KBaM9 QPAQ== X-Received: by 10.49.97.7 with SMTP id dw7mr1538790qeb.16.1374727901244; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:51:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.26.38 with SMTP id i6ls925qeg.33.gmail; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:51:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.88.231 with SMTP id a67mr20867911yhf.39.1374727900689; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n70si3286480yhj.7.2013.07.24.21.51.40 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39B533483 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Expressing Lojban concepts in Lojban Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: <14630056.g7e1vt8bFz@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-48-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20130725035341.2b120f2c@aol.com> References: <20130725035341.2b120f2c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thursday, July 25, 2013 03:53:41 Wuzzy wrote: > Hi, it=92s Wuzzy again. In my Lojban studies I encountered there are a lo= t > of Lojban concepts not expressed by any brivla. Especially the CLL > introduces a lot of concepts which are specifict to Lojban only, yet > Lojban has no brivla for them yet. The English words that lack a Lojban > brivla are, in no particular order: >=20 > * =93letteral=94/=93letter=94 (=93letteral=94 here means =93word that re= presents a > letter=94, for Lojban that is =93abu=94, =93by=94, etc. For the sake of > simplicity, this definition does not exclude compound words like =93abu= =94 > =3D =93a bu=94. And =93letter=94 is the usual English meaning . Now the a= nnoying > thing is, it seems to me that lojbanists seem to currently use =93lerfu= =94 > to mean =93letter=94 and =93letteral=94 exchangingly. This needs to chang= e > quickly.), zo by. lervla .i me'o by. lerfu > * =93diphtong=94, relkarsna > * =93vowel pair=94 (the lojban vowel pairs of the form =93V'V=94 like = =93a'a=94, > =93a'e=94, and so on.), karsna remei > * =93vowel=94 (in the lojbanic sense, can be either spoken or written) > (=93vowel=94 in the sense of =93sound=94 is =93karsna=94), > * =93consonant=94 (in the lojbanic sense, can be either spoken or writte= n) > (=93consonant=94 in the sense of =93sound=94 is =93zunsna=94), > * =93consonant cluster=94, zunsna so'umei > * =93consonant pair=94, zunsna remei > * =93consonant triple=94, zunsna cimei > * =93initial consonant pair=94 (CLL, 3.7), krasi ke zunsna remei > * =93buffer=94 (CLL, 3.8), selse'a nutsna, or just selse'asna. The proper term in English is=20 "epenthetic". > * =93stress=94 (CLL, 3.9), > * =93hyphen=94 (extra letter to build words [Lojban-specific]), binrafsi (or binzilrafsi to emphasize that it doesn't mean anything). inter= fix. > * =93lojbanic letter=94 (letter that is part of Lojban=92s alphabet), > * =93stage fu'ivla=94 where =93=94 is one of: =931=94, =932=94, = =933=94, =934=94, pamoi klesi fu'ivla ce'o co'e > * =93delimeter=94 (in the sense of =93valsi that delimetes a =91zoi=92 > quoted string=94), jityvla Pierre --=20 loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.