Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:49411) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V2j7J-0002NY-PI for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:35:43 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id v5sf796139ggn.26 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0CpbLHOtbuaE81qSdWhsrcp1Gt8u8eno9zNtv69rNWc=; b=wmnwUGAGMROTiMmguXtU82QuvqA+JU8TbPnkY/1ulnV+0y+z/sevbBLtX9E5sDW1sd qxeVnk5RjXn1hCAa/TkSAtQzTnoHshOYDZEaFNRLQDob6vuG1/w8NGPPq0FdAEivhk7F NcwvGyUAW0xympd+KeJI5s7ztBDVeACSy9vvBTLtKY/68Z8t6zgi6rA+hbMzzD8caCgP z3cqEEYZRsj1u6OjsZfXb2q4Fz79PufyuUPCGMMbEaBrQVMFnQFTqCWHl1wICnwtneZx iGwQ6hsmptT3CmiHe5EBQWjNVuyrH23lKQaBJkHwzoPillaFAkReLiTHya1zFokyBRPG H25A== X-Received: by 10.49.58.242 with SMTP id u18mr1743366qeq.23.1374849331311; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.88.38 with SMTP id bd6ls1048877qeb.29.gmail; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.7.7 with SMTP id b7mr9778688qab.5.1374849331032; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.138.7 with SMTP id y7msqat; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.12.47 with SMTP id v15mr508271qeb.39.1374797788881; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 17:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 17:16:28 -0700 (PDT) From: gunnar_secret@hotmail.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <57d7137b-09dd-459a-93af-a0c4c6d05a4b@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: umami taste MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gunnar_secret@hotmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_82_3332634.1374797788342" X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam_score: 1.2 X-Spam_score_int: 12 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: There aren't gismu for all the accepted ground tastes? I'm surprised. krumami - x1 has an umami taste to observer x2. titla - x1 is sweet/sugary/saccharine to observer x2. slari - x1 is sour/tart to observer x2. kurki - x1 is bitter/acrid/sharply disagreeable to observer/sense x2. [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gunnar_secret[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.2 FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2 hotmail.com 'From' address, but no 'Received:' 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature ------=_Part_82_3332634.1374797788342 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There aren't gismu for all the accepted ground tastes? I'm surprised. krumami - x1 has an umami taste to observer x2. titla - x1 is sweet/sugary/saccharine to observer x2. slari - x1 is sour/tart to observer x2. kurki - x1 is bitter/acrid/sharply disagreeable to observer/sense x2. So far so good. But then: silna - x1 is a portion/quantity of salt from source x2, of composition including x3. Surely a bare "silna" can't be good to use in this context since it actually refers to the physical salt (which is not clear, are we strictly speaking NaCl here or all salts - ionic compounds?). Good you added krumami. That is *extremely welcomed* by me. But, I would considering changing the definition to be more in line with the others. My proposal: krumami - x1 is umami to observer x2. (...Ehm. You may ignore the above. I actually thought umami was an adjective as well in English, since that would be logical. Unfortunately, I can't find any proof of it.) Still. I miss the: x1 is salty to observer x2 Am I missing something? mi'e la .gusek. mu'o Den tisdagen den 16:e juli 2013 kl. 09:54:06 UTC+2 skrev la arxokuna: > > {krumami} > > x1 has umami taste to observer x2. > > Etymology: Romance [karo], Mandarin [rou4] ("meat"), Japanese [umami] > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_82_3332634.1374797788342 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There aren't gismu for all the accepted ground tastes? I'm surprised.
krumami - x1 has an umami taste to observer x2.
titla - x1 is sweet/su= gary/saccharine to observer x2.
slari - x1 is sour/tart to observer x2.<= br>kurki - x1 is bitter/acrid/sharply disagreeable to observer/sense x2.
So far so good. But then:

silna - x1 is a portion/quantity of s= alt from source x2, of composition including x3.

Surely a bare "siln= a" can't be good to use in this context since it actually refers to the phy= sical salt (which is not clear, are we strictly speaking NaCl here or all s= alts - ionic compounds?).

Good you added krumami. That is extreme= ly welcomed by me. But, I would considering changing the definition to = be more in line with the others. My proposal:
krumami - x1 is umami to o= bserver x2.

(...Ehm. You may ignore the above. I actually thought um= ami was an adjective as well in English, since that would be logical. Unfor= tunately, I can't find any proof of it.)

Still. I miss the:
x1 is= salty to observer x2

Am I missing something?

mi'e la .gusek.= mu'o

Den tisdagen den 16:e juli 2013 kl. 09:54:06 UTC+2 skrev la ar= xokuna:
{krumami}

x1 has umami taste to observer x2.

Etymo= logy: Romance [karo], Mandarin [rou4] ("meat"), Japanese [umami]

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