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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Oh...hmmm.. I always thought that "korka" just meant "cork", (i.e. Quercus suber, or the like). I didn't even realize it was bark in general (which I would have assumed was ricpi'a) So, yes, to your suggestion, despite it not being official. [...] Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mturniansky[at]gmail.com) 1.2 RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET RBL: Received via a relay in bl.spamcop.net [Blocked - see ] 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: bezitopo.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid --089e0111dd44884f3104e26d1968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh...hmmm.. I always thought that "korka" just meant "cork", (i.e. Quercus suber, or the like). I didn't even realize it was bark in general (which I would have assumed was ricpi'a) So, yes, to your suggestion, despite it not being official. As for a cork stopper, kokyvelbo'i or punvelbo'i (more general for synthetic stoppers) --gejyspa On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of cork/bark from tree/species x2 > The English, Spanish, and Russian source words all mean a stopper or bark > suitable for making stoppers; neither refers to bark in general, though > Latin > "cortex", which is at least partly the source of "cork" and "corcho", can > mean > bark in general or cork specifically. ("cork" may come partly from > "quercus", > as corks are made from oak bark.) > > *Should "korka" be restricted to bark suitable for making corks? > *How about "ricpi'a" for bark in general? > *What do we call a stopper, which may or may not be made of cork? > > Pierre > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Oh...hmmm.. I always thought that "korka" just m= eant "cork", (i.e. Quercus suber, or the like). I didn't even= realize it was bark in general (which I would have assumed was ricpi'a= ) =A0So, yes, to your suggestion, despite it not being official.

=A0 As for a cork stopper, kokyvelbo'i or punvelbo= 'i (more general for synthetic stoppers)
=A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa



On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Pierre Abbat <= span dir=3D"ltr"><phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of cork/bark from tree/species x2
The English, Spanish, and Russian source words all mean a stopper or bark suitable for making stoppers; neither refers to bark in general, though Lat= in
"cortex", which is at least partly the source of "cork"= and "corcho", can mean
bark in general or cork specifically. ("cork" may come partly fro= m "quercus",
as corks are made from oak bark.)

*Should "korka" be restricted to bark suitable for making corks?<= br> *How about "ricpi'a" for bark in general?
*What do we call a stopper, which may or may not be made of cork?

Pierre
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La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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