Received: from mail-gg0-f191.google.com ([209.85.161.191]:51314) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V2oVr-0004gI-8J for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:27 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f191.google.com with SMTP id u1sf867009ggl.18 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FWYoPFoV+WoH57ao3aMslZ2xOV7NrcrSXb/tQ7B0FU8=; b=eIlP7KeEb+9ZfS0m7XPEYvjnpdM30JkFk528u4JmroY92aP6hwDW/Bg0r3/eAfcO8M ukkNvNws5WQkpzKcNSYTkke/blhEJ7CHUy08yUBCq77mMoKB3KbegG4c9KX5/WfQOLil FrZkkXO4rhdTQn3JoyvKg7Zj92ztbmcokWPxHDEOf9o6XnI1oUF55BQW8Fmyh8CwnnUX GVgpZxN8QJ8nitxvYesxoeV1hhka68StRa9U4aZo/3BmWH0HFE4+jvq8osv/bN4OkrUg vZDtpr2qA5pgc/06RiT15ty89Tl7WEgKGhD3bz1X2kA+adfHM9AiDfvTy9zd8+fCx889 Mb5Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FWYoPFoV+WoH57ao3aMslZ2xOV7NrcrSXb/tQ7B0FU8=; b=JF2BqCZ0fcR1LPrNPxp6NrxRG9Vkktd/Hx9ur7wCwDsjmm0En/b7NfYkazelsYHEou bndISKP5+R3LmXSWSZdlUPPwm38oYIjAv0ZLYZoitHX6gNAUmkiJTuXH+Cdw75HJerJr HgKkdp0u8LkSk5bq0j1NSGBxCAhjAbEbUecMAJiMfJxeW+FkMs0Qc6vFLDl+ECrlt/0P yzKG66nAOmgVDgv3VeiMVaEHQrmLt5DMkZ5p5wsLrXAT+XTMwmEweQa7JLHgD7xhTTck Q5B3afChuKfCX0xDLc4s7Vsa0AJ4R/nKBiY5tWN03xvrjL7gCpxHqZU5cwRQgNSGbryX Wh5w== X-Received: by 10.49.105.226 with SMTP id gp2mr291535qeb.40.1374870072587; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.120.234 with SMTP id lf10ls1379993qeb.49.gmail; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.205.238 with SMTP id lj14mr5824804vec.31.1374870072268; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22d.google.com (mail-vc0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12si1874721vdi.0.2013.07.26.13.21.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d; Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id id13so796613vcb.32 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.92.114 with SMTP id cl18mr11218741vdb.67.1374870072113; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.241.138 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:20:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57d7137b-09dd-459a-93af-a0c4c6d05a4b@googlegroups.com> References: <57d7137b-09dd-459a-93af-a0c4c6d05a4b@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: umami taste To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cc7842f4cc04e26fe2ac X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3071cc7842f4cc04e26fe2ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Of course, "umami" can also be an adjective in English. All you have to do is use it that way. stevo On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM, wrote: > There aren't gismu for all the accepted ground tastes? I'm surprised. > > krumami - x1 has an umami taste to observer x2. > titla - x1 is sweet/sugary/saccharine to observer x2. > slari - x1 is sour/tart to observer x2. > kurki - x1 is bitter/acrid/sharply disagreeable to observer/sense x2. > > So far so good. But then: > > silna - x1 is a portion/quantity of salt from source x2, of composition > including x3. > > Surely a bare "silna" can't be good to use in this context since it > actually refers to the physical salt (which is not clear, are we strictly > speaking NaCl here or all salts - ionic compounds?). > > Good you added krumami. That is *extremely welcomed* by me. But, I would > considering changing the definition to be more in line with the others. My > proposal: > krumami - x1 is umami to observer x2. > > (...Ehm. You may ignore the above. I actually thought umami was an > adjective as well in English, since that would be logical. Unfortunately, I > can't find any proof of it.) > > Still. I miss the: > x1 is salty to observer x2 > > Am I missing something? > > mi'e la .gusek. mu'o > > Den tisdagen den 16:e juli 2013 kl. 09:54:06 UTC+2 skrev la arxokuna: > >> {krumami} >> >> x1 has umami taste to observer x2. >> >> Etymology: Romance [karo], Mandarin [rou4] ("meat"), Japanese [umami] >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Of course, "umami" can also be an adjective in E= nglish. All you have to do is use it that way.=A0

stevo<= /div>


On= Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM, <gunnar_secret@hotmail.com>= wrote:
There aren't gismu for all the accepted = ground tastes? I'm surprised.

krumami - x1 has an umami taste to= observer x2.
titla - x1 is sweet/sugary/saccharine to observer x2.
slari - x1 is sour= /tart to observer x2.
kurki - x1 is bitter/acrid/sharply disagreeable to= observer/sense x2.

So far so good. But then:

silna - x1 is a= portion/quantity of salt from source x2, of composition including x3.

Surely a bare "silna" can't be good to use in this contex= t since it actually refers to the physical salt (which is not clear, are we= strictly speaking NaCl here or all salts - ionic compounds?).

Good you added krumami. That is extremely welcomed by me. But, I wou= ld considering changing the definition to be more in line with the others. = My proposal:
krumami - x1 is umami to observer x2.

(...Ehm. You may ignore the ab= ove. I actually thought umami was an adjective as well in English, since th= at would be logical. Unfortunately, I can't find any proof of it.)

Still. I miss the:
x1 is salty to observer x2

Am I missing so= mething?

mi'e la .gusek. mu'o

Den tisdagen den 16:e j= uli 2013 kl. 09:54:06 UTC+2 skrev la arxokuna:
{krumami}

x1 has= umami taste to observer x2.

Etymology: Romanc= e [karo], Mandarin [rou4] ("meat"), Japanese [umami]

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