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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: umami taste
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Except that "gay" still does mean what it did when the definition was
written, so the meaning wasn't changed at all.

The *interpretation* of the word "gay" in the U.S. has changed, but that's
the fault of the populace. :)

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:59 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:20:42 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
>>
>> Of course, "umami" can also be an adjective in English. All you have to
>> do is use it that way.
>>
>
> Unfortunately not all people know what is umami. So I added this awkward
> wording "has umami taste" to explicitly show what I'm talking about.
> When more people learn about this word the *English* definition might be
> changed (without changing lojbani semantics).
>
> E.g. recently in bpfk-list I suggested changing the definition of {gleki}
> from
> x1 is happy/merry/gay/glad/gleeful about x2 (event/state).
> to
> x1 is happy/merry/glad/gleeful about x2 (event/state).
>
> just because one English word completely changed it's meaning.
>
>
>
>> stevo
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM, <gunnar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There aren't gismu for all the accepted ground tastes? I'm surprised.
>>>
>>> krumami - x1 has an umami taste to observer x2.
>>> titla - x1 is sweet/sugary/saccharine to observer x2.
>>> slari - x1 is sour/tart to observer x2.
>>> kurki - x1 is bitter/acrid/sharply disagreeable to observer/sense x2.
>>>
>>> So far so good. But then:
>>>
>>> silna - x1 is a portion/quantity of salt from source x2, of composition
>>> including x3.
>>>
>>> Surely a bare "silna" can't be good to use in this context since it
>>> actually refers to the physical salt (which is not clear, are we strictly
>>> speaking NaCl here or all salts - ionic compounds?).
>>>
>>> Good you added krumami. That is *extremely welcomed* by me. But, I
>>> would considering changing the definition to be more in line with the
>>> others. My proposal:
>>> krumami - x1 is umami to observer x2.
>>>
>>> (...Ehm. You may ignore the above. I actually thought umami was an
>>> adjective as well in English, since that would be logical. Unfortunately, I
>>> can't find any proof of it.)
>>>
>>> Still. I miss the:
>>> x1 is salty to observer x2
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> mi'e la .gusek. mu'o
>>>
>>> Den tisdagen den 16:e juli 2013 kl. 09:54:06 UTC+2 skrev la arxokuna:
>>>
>>>> {krumami}
>>>>
>>>> x1 has umami taste to observer x2.
>>>>
>>>> Etymology: Romance [karo], Mandarin [rou4] ("meat"), Japanese [umami]
>>>>
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Except that &quot;gay&quot; still does mean what it did when the definition=
 was written, so the meaning wasn&#39;t changed at all.<br><br>The <i>inter=
pretation</i> of the word &quot;gay&quot; in the U.S. has changed, but that=
&#39;s the fault of the populace. :)<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:59 PM, la arxokuna=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:20:42 AM UTC+4, ste=
vo wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Of course=
, &quot;umami&quot; can also be an adjective in English. All you have to do=
 is use it that way.=A0</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Unfortunately not all people know wh=
at is umami. So I added this awkward wording &quot;has umami taste&quot; to=
 explicitly show what I&#39;m talking about.</div><div>When more people lea=
rn about this word the *English* definition might be changed (without chang=
ing lojbani semantics).</div>
<div><br></div><div>E.g. recently in bpfk-list I suggested changing the def=
inition of {gleki} from</div><div>x1 is happy/merry/gay/glad/gleeful about =
x2 (event/state).<br></div><div>to=A0</div><div>x1 is happy/merry/glad/glee=
ful about x2 (event/state).<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>just because one English word completely changed =
it&#39;s meaning.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>stevo</div></div><div><br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM,  <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>gunnar...@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">There aren&#39;t gis=
mu for all the accepted ground tastes? I&#39;m surprised.<br><br>krumami - =
x1 has an umami taste to observer x2.<br>


titla - x1 is sweet/sugary/saccharine to observer x2.<br>slari - x1 is sour=
/tart to observer x2.<br>kurki - x1 is bitter/acrid/sharply disagreeable to=
 observer/sense x2.<br><br>So far so good. But then:<br><br>silna - x1 is a=
 portion/quantity of salt from source x2, of composition including x3.<br>


<br>Surely a bare &quot;silna&quot; can&#39;t be good to use in this contex=
t since it actually refers to the physical salt (which is not clear, are we=
 strictly speaking NaCl here or all salts - ionic compounds?).<br><br>

Good you added krumami. That is <b>extremely welcomed</b> by me. But, I wou=
ld considering changing the definition to be more in line with the others. =
My proposal:<br>
krumami - x1 is umami to observer x2.<br><br>(...Ehm. You may ignore the ab=
ove. I actually thought umami was an adjective as well in English, since th=
at would be logical. Unfortunately, I can&#39;t find any proof of it.)<br>


<br>Still. I miss the:<br>x1 is salty to observer x2<br><br>Am I missing so=
mething?<br><br>mi&#39;e la .gusek. mu&#39;o<br><br>Den tisdagen den 16:e j=
uli 2013 kl. 09:54:06 UTC+2 skrev la arxokuna:</div><div><div><div class=3D=
"im">


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{krumami}<div><br></div><div>x1 has=
 umami taste to observer x2.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Etymology: Romanc=
e [karo], Mandarin [rou4] (&quot;meat&quot;), Japanese [umami]</div>


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