Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:33:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] How to prevent nintadni from saying {la broda mi cmene}
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cmene x1 (quoted word(s)) is a/the name/title/tag of x2 to/used-by 
namer/name-user x3 (person).
cusku x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept) for audience 
x3 via expressive medium x4.
preti x1 (quoted text) is a question/query about subject x2 by questioner 
x3 to audience x4.
zo quote next word only; quotes a single Lojban word (not a cmavo compound 
or tanru).
zo'oi quote next non-Lojban word only; quotes a single non-Lojban word 
delimited by pauses (in speech) or whitespace (in writing)
lu start grammatical quotation; quoted text should be grammatical on its 
own.
lo'u start questionable/out-of-context quote; text should be Lojban words, 
but needn't be grammatical.

As you can see it can be called
1. "quoted words"
2. "text"
3. "quoted text"
4. "quote next word".

I think this is the explanation of such mistakes. Nintadni don't realise 
what should be put in what place and don't understand that those 4 terms 
describe the same.
I think gimste should give clear references to selmaho/types allowed in 
each sumti place. PEG doesn't group this type of sumti into one place, it 
calls zo, lo'u "start left quote" or something. May be we should specify a 
lojbanic term for that?

Actually we have the same problem with ka/ni/nu/du'u in gimste. Nintadni 
don't know what to put where leading to {kamsutra} jokes.

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cmene x1 (quoted word(s)) is a/the name/title/tag of x2 to/used-by namer/na=
me-user x3 (person).<div>cusku x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu=
'e concept) for audience x3 via expressive medium x4.</div><div>preti&nbsp;=
x1 (quoted text) is a question/query about subject x2 by questioner x3 to a=
udience x4.</div><div>zo quote next word only; quotes a single Lojban word =
(not a cmavo compound or tanru).</div><div>zo'oi quote next non-Lojban word=
 only; quotes a single non-Lojban word delimited by pauses (in speech) or w=
hitespace (in writing)</div><div>lu start grammatical quotation; quoted tex=
t should be grammatical on its own.</div><div>lo'u start questionable/out-o=
f-context quote; text should be Lojban words, but needn't be grammatical.</=
div><div><br></div><div>As you can see it can be called<br></div><div>1. "q=
uoted words"</div><div>2. "text"</div><div>3. "quoted text"</div><div>4. "q=
uote next word".<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think this is the explanati=
on of such mistakes. Nintadni don't realise what should be put in what plac=
e and don't understand that those 4 terms describe the same.</div><div>I th=
ink gimste should give clear references to selmaho/types allowed in each su=
mti place. PEG doesn't group this type of sumti into one place, it calls zo=
, lo'u "start left quote" or something. May be we should specify a lojbanic=
 term for that?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Actually we have the same prob=
lem with ka/ni/nu/du'u in gimste. Nintadni don't know what to put where lea=
ding to {kamsutra} jokes.</div><div><br></div>

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