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Subject: [lojban] Re: Conlangery #92: The Sapir-Worf Hypothesis
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 Content preview:  Yeah, I felt that was quite biased. I mean, sure, it's a controversial
    topic and there isn't much support for strong Sapir-Whorfianism today. But,
    they do acknowledge certain different thinking patterns (like the way you
    memorize an describe experiences or knowing which way is north), but they
    are very clear with that everything related to Sapir-Whorf is stupid and
   ridiculous. It seems more of a bashing than a discussion, but that's my five
    cents. I don't believe in Sapir-Whorf as originally hypothesized though.
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Yeah, I felt that was quite biased. I mean, sure, it's a controversial 
topic and there isn't much support for strong Sapir-Whorfianism today. But, 
they do acknowledge certain different thinking patterns (like the way you 
memorize an describe experiences or knowing which way is north), but they 
are very clear with that everything related to Sapir-Whorf is stupid and 
ridiculous. It seems more of a bashing than a discussion, but that's my 
five cents. I don't believe in Sapir-Whorf as originally hypothesized 
though.

Also, Lojban is (of course) mentioned. But they are not discussing it very 
positive, and somewhat thinking that it's an impossible and ridiculous 
language to try and learn. Like that they're not seriously believing it 
could be fun or useful in real life, but a cute attempt of nerds 
over-believing Sapir-Whorf (and trying to gain "magical abilities"). Laadan 
seems to be preferred, for some reason.

Yeah, that's what I got from it! Worth a listening, but I do not fully 
agree with them. Seems too much like a contra-cultural reaction to people 
believing Sapir-Whorf to a extreme level and irritating people with the 
classic Eskimo-snow-myth.

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Yeah, I felt that was quite biased. I mean, sure, it's a controversial topi=
c and there isn't much support for strong Sapir-Whorfianism today. But, the=
y do acknowledge certain different thinking patterns (like the way you memo=
rize an describe experiences or knowing which way is north), but they are v=
ery clear with that everything related to Sapir-Whorf is stupid and ridicul=
ous. It seems more of a bashing than a discussion, but that's my five cents=
. I don't believe in Sapir-Whorf as originally hypothesized though.<div><br=
></div><div>Also, Lojban is (of course) mentioned. But they are not discuss=
ing it very positive, and somewhat thinking that it's an impossible and rid=
iculous language to try and learn. Like that they're not seriously believin=
g it could be fun or useful in real life, but a cute attempt of nerds over-=
believing Sapir-Whorf (and trying to gain "magical abilities"). Laadan seem=
s to be preferred, for some reason.</div><div><br></div><div>Yeah, that's w=
hat I got from it! Worth a listening, but I do not fully agree with them. S=
eems too much like a contra-cultural reaction to people believing Sapir-Who=
rf to a extreme level and irritating people with the classic Eskimo-snow-my=
th.</div>

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