Received: from mail-qe0-f55.google.com ([209.85.128.55]:42812) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V6Jcf-0007eC-5f for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:10:55 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f55.google.com with SMTP id 6sf1105846qeb.20 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:10:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=F4EHSLzMjVSjzDEBbfjO9vztrQb1pEbCZz01B7Q+stA=; b=FIuqZgvds4s+nwIQ5Q9jPcP4WR69bCrJ8O5m+FuWUlFwf5T0/6I15qjLU8ebwJjdiH +nfaVNBEA9JCpxQLmsL4CL4TeVTxiT3DmeTsIB7K75OcwxLO4X/Hhiw7aC7mD7ZhROHb HOhjm2/JBwVAhdRROBBHXJi17lNArYgb6N03oWtbUX8ASgikHOV7Uvv/Ayf8IeS8qo0T sS1l5tUHF6gw8abY7cwGP7GdDv8IqycI310cpHQBhnPkFjRc+6FDIF64ywdrzWdQUNMX x1rNbw894iWt0nMl3EcuYzuKEsP5pGBFjB/wPngkRU7/jacTTIRJwkTAIntOss3skUBb E2gg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=F4EHSLzMjVSjzDEBbfjO9vztrQb1pEbCZz01B7Q+stA=; b=Y2wYOcBbNBh54iXCnwFAoRMpPQRfqCXGQShTmYYG8/m88/S7VsnodU9fc+XinPssNC IXV9ELi2OX0IuedEuyMofnV1O7U3l9iv59k3Op5oO5rkqeDSkp07WK/ROnZKpTCM9mRW LkSzdf6r6Pysrf9+JZkHutC8iWnPXze8IkfQi9e+8jhxHdCsQb9P7OoKHIqjb3zZjAil YUAjoKk1Kc3DieBSAgshyombkx6OZFD7f11c0QRaD7+0Vydt/hIhvSlAnvrEwR/b3xFM GgczvOkfErmzXHLZ7AVaGlcVuYy3qAPBirfOToJSE+BUQ+nc+X0YzW7kd/2DRCOjctcs mSMg== X-Received: by 10.49.96.72 with SMTP id dq8mr486498qeb.40.1375704642773; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.71.231 with SMTP id y7ls2369896qeu.39.gmail; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.101.5 with SMTP id fc5mr485483qeb.25.1375704641264; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 05:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: Subject: [lojban] Le paradoxe des langues artificiellesdans la communication moderne MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7_6052219.1375704640654" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_7_6052219.1375704640654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.scribd.com/doc/130318117/PVM-Dakteks-Klaba-FR-Le-paradoxe-des-la= ngues-artificielles-dans-la-communication-moderne Lojban : cr=E9=E9 en 1987, une recherche scientifique et math=E9matiquebas=E9e sur= =20 l'hypoth=E8se Sapir-Whorf. R=E9sultat : une langue d'une tr=E8sgrande logiq= ue,=20 mais totalement inaccessible au commun des mortels ettr=E8s d=E9routante, t= ant=20 dans son design, sa grammaire et son lexiquetortur=E9, m=EAme si elle s'app= uie=20 sur les mots des cinq plus grandes languesnaturelles. ... (Volap=FCk et Lojban) sont certes de m=EAmes sources, mais tellementd=E9nat= ur=E9es=20 qu'il est difficile de faire le lien et de les rattacher ; ... Lojban : cr=E9=E9 par des am=E9ricains. Usage presque exclusif de l'Anglais= .Le=20 Lojban apparait ainsi plus comme un exercice th=E9orique et linguistiqueque= =20 comme un outil pour la communication entre les peuples et lesindividus ; --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_7_6052219.1375704640654 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.sc= ribd.com/doc/130318117/PVM-Dakteks-Klaba-FR-Le-paradoxe-des-langues-artific= ielles-dans-la-communication-moderne


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