Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:34154) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V6KvX-0008WQ-Uq for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:34:39 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o19sf788865qap.16 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0pVNSErh6Y/7IM2caCW5O4MoiQms+778l8eASQ52IMA=; b=HGobaQ1cErcEhA1S8atq6uVksTz1+oJmeKtBhaF/pcAWgLp0cZZO4jZP97Edd9IXPD dL8edXXqKY+DlHpeGO1758KurGMsQIqTqUSzwb2MbWsda4Xic8XFS0SvATSQUFSVj5Xb ri71ac/193OJ7TDa5fJ+5a0tfukIJ7/geYxocp2KcxXb1/CjPB+qXEL2ZLwk/BLawmCX hG0cjoPbyQ+BlgJgqF22+91UhyLF0iJjGjZFlKw4lZKkdFTKY3FmbbCg5YD6/30dJXVs TjLk77P3ANdv3izjlOo+Q1wWBxO0j46d4DAitAeRD5UrxsEtOBHQgpdI3W8ylIA88OLY tCyA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0pVNSErh6Y/7IM2caCW5O4MoiQms+778l8eASQ52IMA=; b=OlEZgAeAcMQ+DYpNz1YmkeQ6K8FLxM1IutgbpERzk8fGD7QGapKNiJG+IH4eYhESTQ FSOaWSqgFlVfcXEVDT1/EuaMqo4+6SrpD1uVdzA/OV8oiJt8fQyXgNcQncCmBnIArmqs PEp79K3NDsHFq8xTJwnxHychfxC6+O4AlmEAgPxu+x3oShCL+cYf9u8MH3HDieYJqtI2 iEAkaB97eMIdGU+g0V3xshbpuNagZRfuFMiMotIVdUJfYe1T+9WOakD10SUx8FC9x/v3 KD/lfLV4mxhV7qxLs24GUy7B9rgQZhpUc8s1KMxWkIvN19Gzy69Td0Qybq1BZSmuosxA OJRA== X-Received: by 10.49.81.208 with SMTP id c16mr493969qey.34.1375709656935; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.134.9 with SMTP id pg9ls88846qeb.9.gmail; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.1.112 with SMTP id 16mr482369qel.20.1375709656682; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <2393367f-acf5-412b-a8dd-f13f5ab679e3@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: Le paradoxe des langues artificiellesdans la communication moderne MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_124_23559275.1375709656263" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_124_23559275.1375709656263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, August 5, 2013 4:10:40 PM UTC+4, la arxokuna wrote: > > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/130318117/PVM-Dakteks-Klaba-FR-Le-paradoxe-des-= langues-artificielles-dans-la-communication-moderne > > > Lojban > : cr=E9=E9 en 1987, une recherche scientifique et math=E9matiquebas=E9e s= ur=20 > l'hypoth=E8se Sapir-Whorf. R=E9sultat : une langue d'une tr=E8sgrande log= ique,=20 > mais totalement inaccessible au commun des mortels ettr=E8s d=E9routante,= tant=20 > dans son design, sa grammaire et son lexiquetortur=E9, m=EAme si elle s'a= ppuie=20 > sur les mots des cinq plus grandes languesnaturelles. > > ... > (Volap=FCk et Lojban) sont certes de m=EAmes sources, mais tellementd=E9n= atur=E9es=20 > qu'il est difficile de faire le lien et de les rattacher ; > > ... > > Lojban : cr=E9=E9 par des am=E9ricains. Usage presque exclusif de l'Angla= is.Le=20 > Lojban apparait ainsi plus comme un exercice th=E9orique et linguistiqueq= ue=20 > comme un outil pour la communication entre les peuples et lesindividus ; > sei mi piksku mi na merko u'i i si'au so'i lo jbopre na merko ca=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_124_23559275.1375709656263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Monday, August 5, 2013 4:10:40 PM UTC+4, la arxokuna wrote:http://www.scribd.com/doc/130318117/PVM-Dakteks-Klaba-FR-Le-paradoxe-des-langues-artificie= lles-dans-la-communication-moderne

Lojban
: cr=E9=E9 en 1987, une recherche scientifique= et math=E9matiquebas=E9e sur l'hypoth=E8se Sapir-Whorf. R=E9sultat : une l= angue d'une tr=E8sgrande logique, mais totalement inaccessible au commun de= s mortels ettr=E8s d=E9routante, tant dans son design, sa grammaire et son = lexiquetortur=E9, m=EAme si elle s'appuie sur les mots des cinq plus grande= s languesnaturelles.

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(Volap=FC= k et Lojban) sont certes de m=EAmes sources, mais tellementd=E9natur=E9es q= u'il est difficile de faire le lien et de les rattacher ;

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Lojban : cr=E9=E9 par des am=E9ricains= . Usage presque exclusif de l'Anglais.Le Lojban apparait ainsi plus comme u= n exercice th=E9orique et linguistiqueque comme un outil pour la communicat= ion entre les peuples et lesindividus ;

sei mi piksku mi na merko u'i i si'au so'i lo jbopre na merko ca&nbs= p;

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