Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] where is the magic of {nau} as sumtcita?
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http://dag.github.io/cll/10/15/

The rule of English, therefore, is that both the tense of the main sentence 
and the tense of the subordinate clause are understood relative to the 
speaker of the main sentence (not John, but the person who speaks Examples 
15.1 through 15.4).

Lojban, like Russian and Esperanto, uses a different convention. A tense in 
a subordinate bridi is understood to be relative to the tense already set 
in the main bridi.


i.e. when having no arguments {nau} has the default {le nu cusku dei kei 
ku} and in other words similar to long-scope {vo'a} in that it refers to 
the current sentence or utterance. Whereas {ca} has the default {le nu 
cusku lesedu'u nei kei ku kei ku}.
Then if we use {nau} as a sumtcita then it's reference to the current 
sentence magically disappears.

Is my understanding (especially about default sumti) correct?

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e; padding: 0px;"><div><div>The rule of English, therefore, is that both th=
e tense of the main sentence and the tense of the subordinate clause are un=
derstood relative to the speaker of the main sentence (not John, but the pe=
rson who speaks Examples 15.1 through 15.4).</div></div><div><div><br></div=
></div><div><div>Lojban, like Russian and Esperanto, uses a different conve=
ntion. A tense in a subordinate bridi is understood to be relative to the t=
ense already set in the main bridi.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>i.e. when having no arguments {nau} has the default {le nu cusku dei k=
ei ku} and in other words similar to long-scope {vo'a} in that it refers to=
 the current sentence or utterance. Whereas {ca} has the default {le nu cus=
ku lesedu'u nei kei ku kei ku}.</div><div>Then if we use {nau} as a sumtcit=
a then it's reference to the current sentence magically disappears.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Is my understanding (especially about default sumti) corr=
ect?</div>

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