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Subject: Re: [lojban] where is the magic of {nau} as sumtcita?
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On 8 August 2013 16:17, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  Well, I'm not sure "nau SUMTI" is meaningful, because nau is never
>> relative to some event.
>>
> I would assume it's like ZAhO, that is, {broda nau ko'a} == {nau broda ca
> ko'a}, i.e. "broda at the time of this utterance which by the way is ko'a."
>

Either that, or gleki's, formalized as {nau ko'a} -> {ca lo nu cusku dei
kei no'u ko'a}. Since {nau} can be thought of as {ca lo nu cusku dei}, I
think that the ZAhO interpretation is a little odd, as if we fully expand,
we get {broda nau ko'a} -> {nau broda ca ko'a} -> {ca lo nu cusku dei cu
broda ca ko'a}, and I'm not too sure what to think of that.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 8 August 2013 16:17, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, A=
ug 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"i=
m">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=A0Well, I&#39;m not sure &=
quot;nau SUMTI&quot; is meaningful, because nau is never relative to some e=
vent.</div>


</blockquote></div><div>I would assume it&#39;s like ZAhO, that is, {broda =
nau ko&#39;a} =3D=3D {nau broda ca ko&#39;a}, i.e. &quot;broda at the time =
of this utterance which by the way is ko&#39;a.&quot;</div></div></div></di=
v>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Either that, or gleki&#39;s, formalized as=
 {nau ko&#39;a} -&gt; {ca lo nu cusku dei kei no&#39;u ko&#39;a}. Since {na=
u} can be thought of as {ca lo nu cusku dei}, I think that the ZAhO interpr=
etation is a little odd, as if we fully expand, we get {broda nau ko&#39;a}=
 -&gt; {nau broda ca ko&#39;a} -&gt; {ca lo nu cusku dei cu broda ca ko&#39=
;a}, and I&#39;m not too sure what to think of that.</div>

<div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div></div></div></div>

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