Received: from mail-ye0-f187.google.com ([209.85.213.187]:59382) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1V7tBx-0008Pz-6A for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:56 -0700 Received: by mail-ye0-f187.google.com with SMTP id l8sf1300238yen.24 for ; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=40NhPYupk3upb8cqP1WpFEDdwxUmDKF0U9mzVqFZ+Gg=; b=JoQCBqUTfHvu8Zf8F8TzYBR3sS3p+OyMBJdrVdpe6PzpRNlfz0y21A4r+0xQgPvMZh l49NeJawN65rWsIne7ozB67YSe6ftaub89C6xEsaVXiiuqSAmHdctenxKPyGc9cIgFWZ aJP3pDeZrp8Yn2SuViCLdEt7jSpFPU5N2MfzOSX0VC0u1fucy30j1tY7CBhGEvn5JVe+ PCNO5Sc4eAdyxhDJJsIwK7VC8+dDucsc9oyTzuvtN6+xPSV5PqdAZBuBTl0RJ3wCWJIL +cFoj/R/teLtOaatejCdVDi1rnJ+g5QQWZdU0tv+OXFxe8fLcQffIsO/qxnFaozRE1DQ zSdQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=40NhPYupk3upb8cqP1WpFEDdwxUmDKF0U9mzVqFZ+Gg=; b=0XqTmIMdHtSA6eAppNfjXY5ic0iHse22U8SKjUPzlmjAi8CYeplE32ATNsCNomg5Ci AjyNNQ12jkTpr+0I/SX9TN4uNfOXVNqfWbkPZQ1SbuTxU2Qo/Vk2/UVlLZhFcwbCrE0b IyteY5PU6HJsv0OeipRTRR51OUgQaZZiE/WGfhkgDFglULvhf0/9+MNxnJa3wxaNQTB7 MzuGcvn82+B9oh2InTyZ33DaJqzRCrXbn4YIFTZ1BfyOh+rzlF03lHfze4H7EI8uQuuS +gNSG7erDOSHcbqFCytqKJckk9enFn8KW9Y/ojk9NJQ8+6ZZqEMc5OmAidY3tEQ0ROyK fi7g== X-Received: by 10.50.4.99 with SMTP id j3mr305090igj.6.1376079698629; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.49.51 with SMTP id r19ls1197020ign.11.gmail; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.135.134 with SMTP id ig6mr9195709icc.5.1376079698157; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-x233.google.com (mail-oa0-x233.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i7si527347iga.1.2013.08.09.13.21.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::233; Received: by mail-oa0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h1so7489443oag.10 for ; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.79.131 with SMTP id j3mr1910216oex.96.1376079697989; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.112.164 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 13:21:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <00d5de63-b33c-4e9a-a95d-54827beb952f@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] where is the magic of {nau} as sumtcita? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b67812694d70104e3898540 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b67812694d70104e3898540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, if you interpret ZAhO like that, which I guess most jbopre these days do, following xorxes' lead, But I still go by the CLL version... ---gejyspa On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> Well, I'm not sure "nau SUMTI" is meaningful, because nau is never >> relative to some event. >> > I would assume it's like ZAhO, that is, {broda nau ko'a} == {nau broda ca > ko'a}, i.e. "broda at the time of this utterance which by the way is ko'a." > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=A0 Well, if you interpret ZAhO like that, which I guess m= ost jbopre these days do, following xorxes' lead, =A0But I still go by = the CLL version...
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0---gejyspa


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Ian John= son <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Michael= Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0Well, I'm not sure &= quot;nau SUMTI" is meaningful, because nau is never relative to some e= vent.
I would assume it's like ZAhO, that is, {broda = nau ko'a} =3D=3D {nau broda ca ko'a}, i.e. "broda at the time = of this utterance which by the way is ko'a."

mi'e la latro'a mu'o=A0

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