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Subject: Re: [lojban] where is the magic of {nau} as sumtcita?
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On Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:21:37 AM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:
>
>   Well, if you interpret ZAhO like that, which I guess most jbopre these 
> days do, following xorxes' lead,  But I still go by the CLL version...
>

gejyspa has the point. Both interpretations makes sense.
The only problem that arises with sumtcita is that default values for 
sumtcita uses not as sumtcita are not clearly defined in the dictionary.
Another place where we have no formalisation.


>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Ian Johnson <blindb...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturn...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>  
>>>  Well, I'm not sure "nau SUMTI" is meaningful, because nau is never 
>>> relative to some event.
>>>
>> I would assume it's like ZAhO, that is, {broda nau ko'a} == {nau broda ca 
>> ko'a}, i.e. "broda at the time of this utterance which by the way is ko'a."
>>
>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o 
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:21:37 AM UTC+4, ge=
jyspa wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-lef=
t: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">&=
nbsp; Well, if you interpret ZAhO like that, which I guess most jbopre thes=
e days do, following xorxes' lead, &nbsp;But I still go by the CLL version.=
..</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>gejyspa has the point. Both interp=
retations makes sense.</div><div>The only problem that arises with sumtcita=
 is that default values for sumtcita uses not as sumtcita are not clearly d=
efined in the dictionary.<br></div><div>Another place where we have no form=
alisation.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left: 1ex;"><div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Ian John=
son <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obf=
uscated-mailto=3D"tkqKazNn5z4J">blindb...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Michael Turniansky <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscat=
ed-mailto=3D"tkqKazNn5z4J">mturn...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></di=
v><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;Well, I'm not sure "n=
au SUMTI" is meaningful, because nau is never relative to some event.</div>

</blockquote></div><div>I would assume it's like ZAhO, that is, {broda nau =
ko'a} =3D=3D {nau broda ca ko'a}, i.e. "broda at the time of this utterance=
 which by the way is ko'a."</div><div><br></div>
<div>mi'e la latro'a mu'o&nbsp;</div>
</div><br></div></div><div><div>

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