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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive alphabets To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd7579c4f365e04e4169ce0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bd7579c4f365e04e4169ce0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the fact that it's impossible to speak in real time. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > >> is NOT the point >> > > , but it should be. > > >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* John E. Clifford >> *To:* "lojban@googlegroups.com" >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:05 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive >> alphabets >> >> Because most fancy writing systems get to most popular conlang sites >> eventually (and, as noted, repeatedly). I long ago lost count for Lojban; >> toki pona has gone past thirty, I think. >> Writing in real time -- or even legibly -- is be the point in conscripts; >> beauty and system is everything. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 15, 2013, at 16:44, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >> I wonder why this is on a Lojban list. >> >> Can you write in Dscript in real time? >> >> stevo >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:03 AM, vasten wrote: >> >> This has been my obsessive art hobby for well over a decade now. I call >> it Dscript. >> >> it is like a "cursive alphabetical writing system", with some differences >> Unlike standard cursive scripts which are written in either horizontal or >> vertical format >> Dscript allows BOTH vertical AND horizontal at the same time. >> >> The simplest way to imagine this is that a standard cursive word is like >> a "string or letters" >> Now imagine you take that string idea and design an alphabet of letters >> than can be strung together in more than a simple 1-Dimensional string >> >> Dscript "letter strings" can be bent, curled, even forked and have >> letters inside of other letters >> It was designed to allow as much 2D flexibility as possible, while still >> conserving pen strokes. >> >> The end result is a writing system that allows for words to be >> "compressed" into a fully legible "alphabetical symbol". >> Both the letters and sequence of letters is fully legible in each symbol. >> entire phrases and sentences can even be compressed into larger symbols. >> >> The result is not restricted to "symbols and glyphs", it allows the >> string to flex and fork in 2D, so a "letters string" can be long/tall >> triangle/circle/square/ >> rectangle/etc.. >> >> I had so much fun with it I just published creative commons, free to >> copy/edit and yes, even free to sell and use commercially. >> The Dscript concept work on any alphabet, but tends to break down at >> alphabets of over 40 letters or so, best for 25 or less I would say, fewer >> letters=more flexibility. >> Guide to design new alphabets : http://dscript.ca/dscript_conlang.gif >> >> Lots of websites and videos with materials, attached a few pics and the >> intro pdf >> Hope you like :) >> >> Matt >> http://dscript.org (currently experiencing DNS probs, might be flaky) >> http://dscript.ca >> >> https://www.youtube.com/user/f**reedscript >> https://www.facebook.com/Dscri**pting >> http://dscript.deviantart.com/ >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlan= g despite the fact that it's impossible to speak in real time.


On Fri, Aug = 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:
=
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
is NOT the point<= /div>

, but it should be.
<= div>
=A0

From: John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> To: "lojban@googlegroups.com&quo= t; <lojban@= googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, = 2013 9:05 PM
Subject: Re= : [lojban] Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive alphabets
 <= /div>

Because most fancy writing systems get to most popular conla= ng sites eventually (and, as noted, repeatedly). I long ago lost count for = Lojban; toki pona has gone past thirty, I think.
Writing in real = time -- or even legibly -- is be the point in conscripts; beauty and system= is everything.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 15, 2013, at 16:44, MorphemeAddi= ct <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

I wonder why this is on a Lojban list.=A0

Can you write in Dscript in real time?=A0

= stevo


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:03 AM, vasten = <vastencn@gmail.com> wrote:
This has been my obsessive art h= obby for well over a decade now. I call it Dscript.

it is like a "cursive alphabetical writing system", with some dif= ferences
Unlike standard cursive scripts which are written in either hor= izontal or vertical format
Dscript allows BOTH vertical AND horizontal a= t the same time.

The simplest way to imagine this is that a standard cursive word is lik= e a "string or letters"
Now imagine you take that string idea and design an alphabet of letters=20 than can be strung together in more than a simple 1-Dimensional string
<= br>Dscript "letter strings" can be bent, curled, even forked and = have letters inside of other letters
It was designed to allow as much 2D= flexibility as possible, while still conserving pen strokes.

The end result is a writing system that allows for words to be "co= mpressed" into a fully legible "alphabetical symbol".
Bot= h the letters and sequence of letters is fully legible in each symbol.=20 entire phrases and sentences can even be compressed into larger symbols.
The result is not restricted to "symbols and glyphs", it allows the= =20 string to flex and fork in 2D, so a "letters string" can be long/= tall=20 triangle/circle/square/
rectangle/etc..

I had so muc= h fun with it I just published creative commons, free to copy/edit and yes,= even free to sell and use commercially.
The Dscript concept work on any alphabet, but tends to break down at=20 alphabets of over 40 letters or so, best for 25 or less I would say,=20 fewer letters=3Dmore flexibility.
Guide to design new alphabets : http://dscrip= t.ca/dscript_conlang.gif

Lots of websites and videos with materi= als, attached a few pics and the intro pdf
Hope you like :)

Matt
http://dscript.org (currently experiencing DNS probs, might be fl= aky)
http://dscript.ca

https://www.youtube.com/user/freedscript
https://www.facebook.com/Dscripting
http://dscript= .deviantart.com/
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