Received: from mail-wi0-f192.google.com ([209.85.212.192]:39412) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VARGk-0001K5-88 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:24 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f192.google.com with SMTP id hr7sf236839wib.19 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xKqmy+HthyKyzNrU2xrYfBIvo3U7JAJyxYd5r99XPJA=; b=uCHFjXhpBA9PFauwENMs4QHH3PHUFXOqDzQDx4vw403j/w4SEClpzhSSVAdgWcM+2I 4RgX1n2XCKfUIrOepuzfN3rGaHjKhPUuc26YRaGO6juSsAdF8fYeidIieJlnEXKks+Mn QR8ea20l+Aae1UNec6iTNR5EgF4NiC5FVMJNuejMxvav3NDRnq0grEmwo9LArNC5bAhC T7rUJq2B+q1ICzKjQjR13nMw5Y2VHVL8QVGQFjPb+/gcsRH7SXRg5PhsB+hC/7KN/Rpt uXaxB0Qdt8+WMy/TnHLB2GpaD86KUmM7x8DusrArOVL+uzOseWXN6YA7WvRsn42tmal6 eYCQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xKqmy+HthyKyzNrU2xrYfBIvo3U7JAJyxYd5r99XPJA=; b=mRzV+1IV9m+WGPcsT9Lkh4TtSQfd920dAX+62Lle5GewLPW/3pFhvxZlj5xEQVjQyb w94l6rzuCbSvqx5hIJHC1Uk3KJLVSKll/nSSj/ZRHzgrctEaNcYbd37XAxj5uVIuzgc9 QS0yWiBbXLrRoJGm9RJqtHFFFEEh/uRmyu9xbytt+bpKA1+zAnk3iiiUUDSkt6xRfGWr o6yvZ0lu/+5SmfF44rsixb2frGZpKuhLHwPiIpHJSspPTNChbbGR0pjfcJcvQk1iT2tL yTpZsj4wWrNTnrWCp1UwaT1xMslaQ6tvxELtWuqM6UYhKHLmvFFoTqYEokxVhCv/mxjt e42A== X-Received: by 10.180.21.244 with SMTP id y20mr52872wie.12.1376687344537; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.21.171 with SMTP id w11ls267096wie.27.gmail; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.238.194 with SMTP id kt2mr172061bkb.6.1376687343784; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x244.google.com (mail-lb0-x244.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::244]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5si211426bkh.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::244; Received: by mail-lb0-f196.google.com with SMTP id a16so772406lbj.3 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.172.137 with SMTP id bc9mr3805332lbc.21.1376687343375; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.180.36 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <09305FC7-1862-4AC5-8409-71CE52969691@yahoo.com> <1376665120.29537.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:09:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive alphabets From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c26456119a9e04e4170097 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c26456119a9e04e4170097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. wrote: > Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the > fact that it's impossible to speak in real time. > I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not languages. I don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn't usable. Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one word when I can use one that takes deciseconds? Beauty is all well and good, but it shouldn't supersede utility. > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM, John E Clifford wrote: >> >>> is NOT the point >>> >> >> , but it should be. >> >> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* John E. Clifford >>> *To:* "lojban@googlegroups.com" >>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:05 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive >>> alphabets >>> >>> Because most fancy writing systems get to most popular conlang sites >>> eventually (and, as noted, repeatedly). I long ago lost count for Lojban; >>> toki pona has gone past thirty, I think. >>> Writing in real time -- or even legibly -- is be the point in >>> conscripts; beauty and system is everything. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2013, at 16:44, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>> >>> I wonder why this is on a Lojban list. >>> >>> Can you write in Dscript in real time? >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:03 AM, vasten wrote: >>> >>> This has been my obsessive art hobby for well over a decade now. I call >>> it Dscript. >>> >>> it is like a "cursive alphabetical writing system", with some differences >>> Unlike standard cursive scripts which are written in either horizontal >>> or vertical format >>> Dscript allows BOTH vertical AND horizontal at the same time. >>> >>> The simplest way to imagine this is that a standard cursive word is like >>> a "string or letters" >>> Now imagine you take that string idea and design an alphabet of letters >>> than can be strung together in more than a simple 1-Dimensional string >>> >>> Dscript "letter strings" can be bent, curled, even forked and have >>> letters inside of other letters >>> It was designed to allow as much 2D flexibility as possible, while still >>> conserving pen strokes. >>> >>> The end result is a writing system that allows for words to be >>> "compressed" into a fully legible "alphabetical symbol". >>> Both the letters and sequence of letters is fully legible in each >>> symbol. entire phrases and sentences can even be compressed into larger >>> symbols. >>> >>> The result is not restricted to "symbols and glyphs", it allows the >>> string to flex and fork in 2D, so a "letters string" can be long/tall >>> triangle/circle/square/ >>> rectangle/etc.. >>> >>> I had so much fun with it I just published creative commons, free to >>> copy/edit and yes, even free to sell and use commercially. >>> The Dscript concept work on any alphabet, but tends to break down at >>> alphabets of over 40 letters or so, best for 25 or less I would say, fewer >>> letters=more flexibility. >>> Guide to design new alphabets : http://dscript.ca/dscript_conlang.gif >>> >>> Lots of websites and videos with materials, attached a few pics and the >>> intro pdf >>> Hope you like :) >>> >>> Matt >>> http://dscript.org (currently experiencing DNS probs, might be flaky) >>> http://dscript.ca >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/user/f**reedscript >>> https://www.facebook.com/Dscri**pting >>> http://dscript.deviantart.com/ >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On F= ri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Why should it be? Ithkuil i= s a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the fact that it's impossible = to speak in real time.

I was speaking personally, and about= writing systems, not languages. I don't see the point of using a writi= ng system that, well, isn't usable.

Why would I use a= writing system that takes minutes to write one word when I can use one tha= t takes deciseconds?

Beauty is all well and good, but it shouldn't supersede = utility.
=A0
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
=
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
is NOT the point<= /div>

, but it should be.
<= div>
=A0

From: John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> To: "lojban@googlegroups.com&quo= t; <lojban@= googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, = 2013 9:05 PM
Subject: Re= : [lojban] Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive alphabets
 <= /div>

Because most fancy writing systems get to most popular conla= ng sites eventually (and, as noted, repeatedly). I long ago lost count for = Lojban; toki pona has gone past thirty, I think.
Writing in real = time -- or even legibly -- is be the point in conscripts; beauty and system= is everything.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 15, 2013, at 16:44, MorphemeAddi= ct <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

I wonder why this is on a Lojban list.=A0

Can you write in Dscript in real time?=A0

= stevo


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:03 AM, vasten = <vastencn@gmail.com> wrote:
This has been my obsessive art h= obby for well over a decade now. I call it Dscript.

it is like a "cursive alphabetical writing system", with some dif= ferences
Unlike standard cursive scripts which are written in either hor= izontal or vertical format
Dscript allows BOTH vertical AND horizontal a= t the same time.

The simplest way to imagine this is that a standard cursive word is lik= e a "string or letters"
Now imagine you take that string idea and design an alphabet of letters=20 than can be strung together in more than a simple 1-Dimensional string
<= br>Dscript "letter strings" can be bent, curled, even forked and = have letters inside of other letters
It was designed to allow as much 2D= flexibility as possible, while still conserving pen strokes.

The end result is a writing system that allows for words to be "co= mpressed" into a fully legible "alphabetical symbol".
Bot= h the letters and sequence of letters is fully legible in each symbol.=20 entire phrases and sentences can even be compressed into larger symbols.
The result is not restricted to "symbols and glyphs", it allows the= =20 string to flex and fork in 2D, so a "letters string" can be long/= tall=20 triangle/circle/square/
rectangle/etc..

I had so muc= h fun with it I just published creative commons, free to copy/edit and yes,= even free to sell and use commercially.
The Dscript concept work on any alphabet, but tends to break down at=20 alphabets of over 40 letters or so, best for 25 or less I would say,=20 fewer letters=3Dmore flexibility.
Guide to design new alphabets : http://dscrip= t.ca/dscript_conlang.gif

Lots of websites and videos with materi= als, attached a few pics and the intro pdf
Hope you like :)

Matt
http://dscript.org (currently experiencing DNS probs, might be fl= aky)
http://dscript.ca

https://www.youtube.com/user/freedscript
https://www.facebook.com/Dscripting
http://dscript= .deviantart.com/
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