Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:47959) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VAUrD-0002eo-EU for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:59:20 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f61.google.com with SMTP id j13sf432433wgh.16 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AaXBynA3X5pCwELVI5iHnUbn/mxTcyPqAa5iD5WO7+8=; b=bxBhv1Ybxi1sFVpK5hs3TrCC2PehLmw0n2PNGUWhqCdQjlRE41dJXAQRLKayO9KjaV zpBXnwt+qoK3AYuGneEoe7KsijxuVh0bupyP7FQZiLZwtwxqx3BgTGexkLivT+np/dKL SbNbFOk7acBZwS96IOjzRvi92JZPgGfsB8Efmaq8FeZC1RFFNdHKJJhiahYx7pc+w6V8 CTGPh04yJ8XIoCeaWenuxlAoOXS/of9Xt6r9UAXuDOiJUe+8DE5NUXE2wvwokxHlCyN1 Ijq4ek0EYuGsMXgVIDj8NcuYO0oTcfZ5B0KLLjnrWFuIJ3jh+io0yfZ4eiUdb61OgWdL DT7g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AaXBynA3X5pCwELVI5iHnUbn/mxTcyPqAa5iD5WO7+8=; b=RKbttqy08JgXSyv7e+8M+4SX/Re88Ogc8fKG81v/WhxpHIRgDQo3rzIuJ7VSI/N68n OjY/23UFpqWYVsFu0M86rcv8026nDvcnyNwB9RZscoYpA9lLhyGBOsmDNMuzQqnXrIBr ouTCXk5PKowbmlkDtMB4z3GqQXMsA4QGiWzUC4KnKs/yd2AAFH0eqNBqWne/SEjd33X+ DZfM+DmLpLYPPcoSlEd0C9VrahRr9LpXjZQ4JZm2AqfrGWTaV/AdbdEL3WAdfuEwDC7K Cv3jPY++mPuynGuzygUtFR+Ahnk8jQvhN1OwxzEXfJ39ryAIcLUUIAU/kQ+RzbJVNgQ8 2gnQ== X-Received: by 10.180.206.176 with SMTP id lp16mr4620wic.10.1376701138528; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.79.195 with SMTP id l3ls187559wix.16.gmail; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.182.4 with SMTP id ca4mr7009bkb.4.1376701137614; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8si11845bkh.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::234; Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ev20so1989416lab.39 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.198.39 with SMTP id iz7mr358758lbc.24.1376701137293; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.180.36 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130817003421.GD23845@samsa.fritz.box> References: <09305FC7-1862-4AC5-8409-71CE52969691@yahoo.com> <1376665120.29537.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20130817003421.GD23845@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:58:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive alphabets From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c233ea401a2c04e41a36d6 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c233ea401a2c04e41a36d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, v4hn wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 03:09:03PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. >wrote: > > > Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the > > > fact that it's impossible to speak in real time. > > > > I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not languages. I > > don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn't usable. > > Ever tried to ba'e write Ithkuil? Not much better. > I have no interest in Ithkuil. > > Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one word > when > > I can use one that takes deciseconds? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligraphy > I'm just going to quote myself, since you cut off my point. "Beauty is all well and good, but it shouldn't supersede utility." > Writing is just as much an art as it is a tool. > ta'o I don't understand why cursive should not be usable. > In the worst case you can always learn "standard" forms of many words > instead of trying to read each word letter by letter. > > This, however, still has nothing to do with lojban. > > > v4hn > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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On F= ri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 03:09:03PM -0600, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despi= te the
> > fact that it's impossible to speak in real time.
>
> I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not languages. I=
> don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn'= t usable.

Ever tried to ba'e write Ithkuil? Not much better.

I have no interest in Ithkuil.
=A0
> Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one word = when
> I can use one that takes deciseconds?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligraphy

I'm just going to quote myself, sinc= e you cut off my point.

"Beauty is all well and good, but it shouldn't supersede utili= ty."
=A0
Writing is just as much an art as it is a tool.
ta'o I don't understand why cursive should not be usable.
In the worst case you can always learn "standard" forms of many w= ords
instead of trying to read each word letter by letter.

This, however, still has nothing to do with lojban.


v4hn

-- mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denp= a bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am = your father. :D )

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