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Considering my interest in it is nil, don't hold our breath. > it took me forever to write chinese characters when i first started > earning them.. now i can zip them out in fast cursive.. much like dscript. > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM, John E. Clifford wrote: > >> Well, actually it is spang on. Lojban is as useless (and uglier) than >> Descript for getting toilet paper at a drugstore. It all depends on >> purpose and aesthetic. The writing system is a metaphor for the conlang >> game. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 19:34, v4hn wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 03:09:03PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. > >wrote: >> >>> Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite >> the >> >>> fact that it's impossible to speak in real time. >> >> >> >> I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not languages. I >> >> don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn't usable. >> > >> > Ever tried to ba'e write Ithkuil? Not much better. >> > >> >> Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one word >> when >> >> I can use one that takes deciseconds? >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligraphy >> > Writing is just as much an art as it is a tool. >> > ta'o I don't understand why cursive should not be usable. >> > In the worst case you can always learn "standard" forms of many words >> > instead of trying to read each word letter by letter. >> > >> > This, however, still has nothing to do with lojban. >> > >> > >> > v4hn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/FyCsPLJ_elo/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On F= ri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Matthew DeBlock <vastencn@gmail.com>= wrote:
i have tried to avoide= this argument because i am quite biased.. but i agree completely with john= clifford.

What makes you think it takes minutes to write a word in Dsc= ript?

Because exaggeration for = effect.
=A0
because that how long it took you at first try?
=

I'll let you know when my first = try happens. Considering my interest in it is nil, don't hold our breat= h.
=A0
it= took me forever to write chinese characters when i first started earning t= hem.. now i can zip them out in fast cursive.. much like dscript.


<= div class=3D"im">On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM, John E. Clifford <ka= li9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, actually it is= spang on. =A0Lojban is as useless (and uglier) than Descript for getting t= oilet paper at a drugstore. =A0It all depends on purpose and aesthetic. The= writing system is a metaphor for the conlang game.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 16, 2013, at 19:34, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 03:09:03PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang de= spite the
>>> fact that it's impossible to speak in real time.
>>
>> I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not language= s. I
>> don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn&= #39;t usable.
>
> Ever tried to ba'e write Ithkuil? Not much better.
>
>> Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one w= ord when
>> I can use one that takes deciseconds?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligraphy
> Writing is just as much an art as it is a tool.
> ta'o I don't understand why cursive should not be usable.
> In the worst case you can always learn "standard" forms of m= any words
> instead of trying to read each word letter by letter.
>
> This, however, still has nothing to do with lojban.
>
>
> v4hn

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