Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
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On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:30:29 PM UTC+4, Dmitriy Remselgin wrote:
>
> coi rodo
>
> It's my first post here, but I'm not a complete nintadni, and I'd like to 
> take part in improving and popularizing lojban.
>
> There are many things that may be very useful for me or everyone who is 
> interested in lojban. We'd love to read about current state of affairs, 
> news, proposals; we want to access all lojban-related programs; we want to 
> add new lujvo to the jbovlaste; we want the information to be *organized 
> and easily accessible*.
>
> And what do we have instead? The great *mess*. I do not want to offend 
> anyone, but the main web-site is ugly and unhandy. Someone will say that it 
> does not matter, but it does!
>

Yes,  that's why we imported the content of all old pages into our new 
wiki. http://mw.lojban.org It uses the same engine as Wikipedia.
So everything that is possible for Wikipedia is possible for Jupiter si 
Lojbanic Mediawiki (LMW, mw.lojban.org).

The usability must be one the primary concerns in any enterprise. Just look 
> at the interface of jbovalste from the very first page 
> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html to the page where we add new 
> words with its loooong and booooring instructions.
>

Yes, they are. You are free to continue the work on jbovlaste engine. It's 
an open-source project.

 
> The parser is broken (try "ti nanca li xa" or any other phrase with "li").
>

It parses well http://camxes.lojban.org/?text=ti%20nanca%20li%20xa
 

> Mailing lists as the main way of communication are great if you do not 
> want to find some particular info, because in this case the task becomes 
> unbearable.
>

We have 

> And this list is in no way complete.
>
> The lojban project is stagnated. And we must start its reanimation with 
> reanimation of its *interface*. There's a plenty of work to do. We should 
> start the "Usability Project" as soon as possible. To accomplish it, we 
> need 1) experienced lojbanists who can organize and filter information, 2) 
> programmers and designers who can create handy and featured software and a 
> web-site.
>

So... I assume you can help, right?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:30:29 PM UTC+4, Dmit=
riy Remselgin wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;ma=
rgin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">coi rodo<br><br>It's my first post here, but I'm not a complete ni=
ntadni, and I'd like to take part in improving and popularizing lojban.<br>=
<br>There are many things that may be very useful for me or everyone who is=
 interested in lojban. We'd love to read about current state of affairs, ne=
ws, proposals; we want to access all lojban-related programs; we want to ad=
d new lujvo to the jbovlaste; we want the information to be <b>organized an=
d easily accessible</b>.<br><br>And what do we have instead? The great <b>m=
ess</b>. I do not want to offend anyone, but the main web-site is ugly and =
unhandy. Someone will say that it does not matter, but it does!</div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, &nbsp;that's why we imported the content of=
 all old pages into our new wiki. http://mw.lojban.org It uses the same eng=
ine as Wikipedia.</div><div>So everything that is possible for Wikipedia is=
 possible for Jupiter si Lojbanic Mediawiki (LMW, mw.lojban.org).</div><div=
><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"> T=
he usability must be one the primary concerns in any enterprise. Just look =
at the interface of jbovalste from the very first page <a href=3D"http://jb=
ovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html" target=3D"_blank">http://jbovlaste.lojb=
an.org/<wbr>newaccount.html</a> to the page where we add new words with its=
 loooong and booooring instructions.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
Yes, they are. You are free to continue the work on jbovlaste engine. It's =
an open-source project.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"> The parser is broken (try =
"ti nanca li xa" or any other phrase with "li").</div></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>It parses well&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://camxes.lojban.org/?text=
=3Dti%20nanca%20li%20xa">http://camxes.lojban.org/?text=3Dti%20nanca%20li%2=
0xa</a></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"> Mailing lists as the main way of communication are great =
if you do not want to find some particular info, because in this case the t=
ask becomes unbearable.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We have&nbsp;=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8=
ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"> And th=
is list is in no way complete.<br><br>The lojban project is stagnated. And =
we must start its reanimation with reanimation of its <b>interface</b>. The=
re's a plenty of work to do. We should start the "Usability Project" as soo=
n as possible. To accomplish it, we need 1) experienced lojbanists who can =
organize and filter information, 2) programmers and designers who can creat=
e handy and featured software and a web-site.<br></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>So... I assume you can help, right?</div></div>

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