Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dmitriy Remselgin <remselgin@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: The Usability Project
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On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:35:34 PM UTC+6, la arxokuna wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes,  that's why we imported the content of all old pages into our new 
> wiki. http://mw.lojban.org It uses the same engine as Wikipedia.
> So everything that is possible for Wikipedia is possible for Jupiter si 
> Lojbanic Mediawiki (LMW, mw.lojban.org).
>
>
Well done! But wiki is good for reference materials. A newbie will be 
overwhelmed if he or she tries to use wiki for learning.

It parses well http://camxes.lojban.org/?text=ti%20nanca%20li%20xa
>

Parses - yep, translates - nope. Though camxes is a great step in the right 
direction, cause it uses visualization.
 

> So... I assume you can help, right?
>

Surely. BTW, I'm a programmer. But obviously I cannot do all this work by 
myself. It is not an issue of some minor fixes or improvements such as 
fixing the jbovlaste web-pages -* it is an issue of a global change of the 
way the information is presented and processed.*

The way information about lojban is presented on its official resources may 
be appropriate for a small group of men working together, but it is not if 
we take into account newbies spread all over the world and even active 
"lojban developers". The current lojban project interface (i.e. its site, 
textbooks, media, reference etc.) looks like "Hey, guy, there's some 
awesome stuff inside, but you must read this big grammar with plain black 
text on the background, crunch a heap of mailing lists, and then you'll 
certainly appreciate its awesomeness". Lojban is really awesome, and it 
must look beautiful and attractive for everyone.

We can add interactive elements, browser applications, games, consistent 
learning programs for different kinds of users, we can form translator 
teams, add special features for "lojban developers" and even for BFPK if it 
will countinue its work... Also we have to remove outdated resources from 
main site and store them as history in the wiki, for example. I have a lot 
of ideas, and *later I will make a detailed roadmap *about this update. I 
hope most of lojbanists will support it, but still it is a team work, and 
any help will be appreciated, especially from those who have been with 
lojban for a long time.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:35:34 PM UTC+6, la a=
rxokuna wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br><br><div></div><div>Yes, &nbsp;that's why we imported the content of a=
ll old pages into our new wiki. <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org" target=3D"=
_blank">http://mw.lojban.org</a> It uses the same engine as Wikipedia.</div=
><div>So everything that is possible for Wikipedia is possible for Jupiter =
si Lojbanic Mediawiki (LMW, <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">mw.lojban.org</a>).</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"> </div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br>W=
ell done! But wiki is good for reference materials. A newbie will be overwh=
elmed if he or she tries to use wiki for learning.<br><br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>It parse=
s well&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://camxes.lojban.org/?text=3Dti%20nanca%20li%20x=
a" target=3D"_blank">http://camxes.lojban.org/<wbr>?text=3Dti%20nanca%20li%=
20xa</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Parses - yep, translates - nope. =
Though camxes is a great step in the right direction, cause it uses visuali=
zation.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>So... I assume you can help, right?</div></div></=
blockquote><div><br>Surely. BTW, I'm a programmer. But obviously I cannot d=
o all this work by myself. It is not an issue of some minor fixes or improv=
ements such as fixing the jbovlaste web-pages -<b> it is an issue of a glob=
al change of the way the information is presented and processed.</b><br><br=
>The way information about lojban is presented on its official resources ma=
y be appropriate for a small group of men working together, but it is not i=
f we take  into account newbies spread all over the world and even active "=
lojban developers". The current lojban project interface (i.e. its site, te=
xtbooks, media, reference etc.) looks like "Hey, guy, there's some awesome =
stuff inside, but you must read this big grammar with plain black text on t=
he background, crunch a heap of mailing lists, and then you'll certainly ap=
preciate its awesomeness". Lojban is really awesome, and it must look beaut=
iful and attractive for everyone.<br><br>We can add interactive elements, b=
rowser applications, games, consistent learning programs for different kind=
s of users, we can form translator teams, add special features for "lojban =
developers" and even for BFPK if it will countinue its work... Also we have=
 to remove outdated resources from main site and store them as history in t=
he wiki, for example. I have a lot of ideas, and <b>later I will make a det=
ailed roadmap </b>about this update. I hope most of lojbanists will support=
 it, but still it is a team work, and any help will be appreciated, especia=
lly from those who have been with lojban for a long time.<br></div></div>

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