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Subject: Re: [lojban] The Usability Project
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There are exactly two ways to get something done in the Lojban community:

1. Do it yourself.

2. Pay someone to do it for you.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dmitriy Remselgin <remselgin@gmail.com>wrote:

> coi rodo
>
> It's my first post here, but I'm not a complete nintadni, and I'd like to
> take part in improving and popularizing lojban.
>
> There are many things that may be very useful for me or everyone who is
> interested in lojban. We'd love to read about current state of affairs,
> news, proposals; we want to access all lojban-related programs; we want to
> add new lujvo to the jbovlaste; we want the information to be *organized
> and easily accessible*.
>
> And what do we have instead? The great *mess*. I do not want to offend
> anyone, but the main web-site is ugly and unhandy. Someone will say that it
> does not matter, but it does! The usability must be one the primary
> concerns in any enterprise. Just look at the interface of jbovalste from
> the very first page http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html to the
> page where we add new words with its loooong and booooring instructions.
> The parser is broken (try "ti nanca li xa" or any other phrase with "li").
> Mailing lists as the main way of communication are great if you do not want
> to find some particular info, because in this case the task becomes
> unbearable. And this list is in no way complete.
>
> The lojban project is stagnated. And we must start its reanimation with
> reanimation of its *interface*. There's a plenty of work to do. We should
> start the "Usability Project" as soon as possible. To accomplish it, we
> need 1) experienced lojbanists who can organize and filter information, 2)
> programmers and designers who can create handy and featured software and a
> web-site.
>
> mi'e remselgin
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>There are exactly two ways to get something done=
 in the Lojban community:<br><br></div>1. Do it yourself.<br><br></div>2. P=
ay someone to do it for you.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dmitriy Remselgin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:remselgin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">remselgin@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">coi rodo<br><br>It&#39;s my first post here, but I&#39;m n=
ot a complete nintadni, and I&#39;d like to take part in improving and popu=
larizing lojban.<br><br>There are many things that may be very useful for m=
e or everyone who is interested in lojban. We&#39;d love to read about curr=
ent state of affairs, news, proposals; we want to access all lojban-related=
 programs; we want to add new lujvo to the jbovlaste; we want the informati=
on to be <b>organized and easily accessible</b>.<br>
<br>And what do we have instead? The great <b>mess</b>. I do not want to of=
fend anyone, but the main web-site is ugly and unhandy. Someone will say th=
at it does not matter, but it does! The usability must be one the primary c=
oncerns in any enterprise. Just look at the interface of jbovalste from the=
 very first page <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html</a> to the page=
 where we add new words with its loooong and booooring instructions. The pa=
rser is broken (try &quot;ti nanca li xa&quot; or any other phrase with &qu=
ot;li&quot;). Mailing lists as the main way of communication are great if y=
ou do not want to find some particular info, because in this case the task =
becomes unbearable. And this list is in no way complete.<br>
<br>The lojban project is stagnated. And we must start its reanimation with=
 reanimation of its <b>interface</b>. There&#39;s a plenty of work to do. W=
e should start the &quot;Usability Project&quot; as soon as possible. To ac=
complish it, we need 1) experienced lojbanists who can organize and filter =
information, 2) programmers and designers who can create handy and featured=
 software and a web-site.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e remselgin<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br></=
font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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