Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 04:07:08 -0700 (PDT)
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On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:12:07 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> There are exactly two ways to get something done in the Lojban community:
>
> 1. Do it yourself.
>
> 2. Pay someone to do it for you.
>

Ha, really? Last time even after offering money no one replied.


>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dmitriy Remselgin <rems...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> coi rodo
>>
>> It's my first post here, but I'm not a complete nintadni, and I'd like to 
>> take part in improving and popularizing lojban.
>>
>> There are many things that may be very useful for me or everyone who is 
>> interested in lojban. We'd love to read about current state of affairs, 
>> news, proposals; we want to access all lojban-related programs; we want to 
>> add new lujvo to the jbovlaste; we want the information to be *organized 
>> and easily accessible*.
>>
>> And what do we have instead? The great *mess*. I do not want to offend 
>> anyone, but the main web-site is ugly and unhandy. Someone will say that it 
>> does not matter, but it does! The usability must be one the primary 
>> concerns in any enterprise. Just look at the interface of jbovalste from 
>> the very first page http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html to the 
>> page where we add new words with its loooong and booooring instructions. 
>> The parser is broken (try "ti nanca li xa" or any other phrase with "li"). 
>> Mailing lists as the main way of communication are great if you do not want 
>> to find some particular info, because in this case the task becomes 
>> unbearable. And this list is in no way complete.
>>
>> The lojban project is stagnated. And we must start its reanimation with 
>> reanimation of its *interface*. There's a plenty of work to do. We 
>> should start the "Usability Project" as soon as possible. To accomplish it, 
>> we need 1) experienced lojbanists who can organize and filter information, 
>> 2) programmers and designers who can create handy and featured software and 
>> a web-site.
>>
>> mi'e remselgin
>>
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>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:12:07 AM UTC+4, ai=
onys wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv><div>There are exactly two ways to get something done in the Lojban comm=
unity:<br><br></div>1. Do it yourself.<br><br></div>2. Pay someone to do it=
 for you.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ha, really? Last time e=
ven after offering money no one replied.</div><div><br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dmitriy Remselgin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"2H_5k5cXXz=
gJ">rems...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
<div dir=3D"ltr">coi rodo<br><br>It's my first post here, but I'm not a com=
plete nintadni, and I'd like to take part in improving and popularizing loj=
ban.<br><br>There are many things that may be very useful for me or everyon=
e who is interested in lojban. We'd love to read about current state of aff=
airs, news, proposals; we want to access all lojban-related programs; we wa=
nt to add new lujvo to the jbovlaste; we want the information to be <b>orga=
nized and easily accessible</b>.<br>
<br>And what do we have instead? The great <b>mess</b>. I do not want to of=
fend anyone, but the main web-site is ugly and unhandy. Someone will say th=
at it does not matter, but it does! The usability must be one the primary c=
oncerns in any enterprise. Just look at the interface of jbovalste from the=
 very first page <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>newaccount.html</a> to the=
 page where we add new words with its loooong and booooring instructions. T=
he parser is broken (try "ti nanca li xa" or any other phrase with "li"). M=
ailing lists as the main way of communication are great if you do not want =
to find some particular info, because in this case the task becomes unbeara=
ble. And this list is in no way complete.<br>
<br>The lojban project is stagnated. And we must start its reanimation with=
 reanimation of its <b>interface</b>. There's a plenty of work to do. We sh=
ould start the "Usability Project" as soon as possible. To accomplish it, w=
e need 1) experienced lojbanists who can organize and filter information, 2=
) programmers and designers who can create handy and featured software and =
a web-site.<br>
<br>mi'e remselgin<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></div><sp=
an><font color=3D"#888888">

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