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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e014946f44ab5f104e5779db9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e014946f44ab5f104e5779db9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can they do clusters /at all/? Also, can they say "pigeon"? I ask because if they can say "pigeon", then {cidja} shouldn't be too far down the road from pronounceable, I expect. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 03:36:48AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > Pro-tip: there is not a toddler in the world that can emit the > > > difference between {cidja} and {citka}. > > > > > > > This is actually kind of surprising to me, because "she-ja" and > > "sheet-ka(AAAAAHHHHNNNNN!!!)" seem very different insofar as the > > medial cluster. > > If they could emit medial clusters, we wouldn't be having this > discussion. > > -Robin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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Can they do clusters /at all/?


Also, can they say "pigeon"? I ask because if they can say "pigeon", then {cidja} shouldn't be too far down the road from pronounceable, I expect.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 03:36:48AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> > Pro-tip: there is not a toddler in the world that can emit the
> > difference between {cidja} and {citka}.
> >
>
> This is actually kind of surprising to me, because "she-ja" and
> "sheet-ka(AAAAAHHHHNNNNN!!!)" seem very different insofar as the
> medial cluster.

If they could emit medial clusters, we wouldn't be having this
discussion.

-Robin

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