Received: from mail-lb0-f185.google.com ([209.85.217.185]:54068) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvJF-0000zW-Rt for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:47 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f185.google.com with SMTP id o14sf1379330lbi.2 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RNsA+yBblltyKvv1Ts/pWkt/C4UVYFjJDjrkgKmrZgo=; b=iWwUZK6RpmniSxCSK/KmsAl0ox2W2TspeaQZCSiv0ztM5VPlN55fBp5/pQqKDiTalW 6xwKJpgO1KovdwrXWpZ9DjHRXf+74B29U28uSa+gQFWyK1B3rsFpwKNeyD7Q2xMRR/nr o3aCyx044VTHMAXlqc24oGsvV55MOO4EEkzaYLd2O2QWfTts8M55MnT/OSlxjYE+TNHx KIjqJP8NSvH2OnLft1ofJ5qhwpde4qwT1f/vWy1iQo0AFhWMA6LL1bCgqvhI8ugH04na E+1PdQditbSckoOwx8hCUundI4w+WkyjebeM9G4qH+uLRCdbBkd6YfPZmNH0STOTEJnS wxng== X-Received: by 10.180.9.244 with SMTP id d20mr2447245wib.6.1378232790086; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.7.137 with SMTP id j9ls939911wia.4.canary; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.238.194 with SMTP id kt2mr2132464bkb.6.1378232789480; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com (mail-la0-x22e.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qy6si1480051bkb.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e; Received: by mail-la0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id eh20so4909875lab.5 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.156.74 with SMTP id wc10mr2376323lbb.44.1378232789273; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.180.36 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130903100132.GF26755@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20130902084209.GA17067@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20130903094348.GE26755@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20130903100132.GF26755@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 12:26:29 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban: it's not for babies. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122976cd28f9c04e57ed355 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0122976cd28f9c04e57ed355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Complete segway here: Many if not all twins eventually develop a language which only they know, so that they can converse with each other at any time and be assured privacy. What are your hopes/expectations regarding the two using Lojban for that purpose? On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > As of this week, sometimes. > > Up until then, not really, no; they'd simply elide one letter or the > other; {dirba} -> "DIH-ba", "fart" -> "faht", "aunt" -> "aht". > > There are a lot more English words where that works without > confusion, and a *LOT* more English words that simply don't have any > significant consonant clusters. They've been saying "banana" (or at > least "nana") for ages, for example. > > This was my point: given the choice between a language with lots of > words they can see, and one with lots they can't, they pick the > former. > > -Robin > That sounds like completely logical reasoning to me. Of course the English over Lojban trend will probably change- at least when they are talking to you- as they become more vocally capable. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e0122976cd28f9c04e57ed355 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Complete segway here:

Many if not all twins ev= entually develop a language which only they know, so that they can converse= with each other at any time and be assured privacy.

What= are your hopes/expectations regarding the two using Lojban for that purpos= e?


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell <r= lpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
As of this week, sometimes.

Up until then, not really, no; they'd simply elide one letter or the other; {dirba} -> "DIH-ba", "fart" -> "faht&= quot;, "aunt" -> "aht".

There are a lot more English words where that works without
confusion, and a *LOT* more English words that simply don't have any significant consonant clusters. =A0They've been saying "banana&quo= t; (or at
least "nana") for ages, for example.

This was my point: given the choice between a language with lots of
words they can see, and one with lots they can't, they pick the
former.

-Robin

That sounds like co= mpletely logical reasoning to me. Of course the English over Lojban trend w= ill probably change- at least when they are talking to you- as they become = more vocally capable.

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