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Sadly, I disagree with Jonathan about the twins choosing Lojban over
English to talk to Robin. I know of a boy in a household where both parents
used German and English daily, but the family lived in Germany, and the boy
spoke only German, although he could understand his mother just fine. He
very early gave up ever speaking English, even to her.

Despite this story, though, I have high hopes for Robin and his twins.

stevo


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Complete segway here:
>
> Many if not all twins eventually develop a language which only they know,
> so that they can converse with each other at any time and be assured
> privacy.
>
> What are your hopes/expectations regarding the two using Lojban for that
> purpose?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
>> As of this week, sometimes.
>>
>> Up until then, not really, no; they'd simply elide one letter or the
>> other; {dirba} -> "DIH-ba", "fart" -> "faht", "aunt" -> "aht".
>>
>> There are a lot more English words where that works without
>> confusion, and a *LOT* more English words that simply don't have any
>> significant consonant clusters.  They've been saying "banana" (or at
>> least "nana") for ages, for example.
>>
>> This was my point: given the choice between a language with lots of
>> words they can see, and one with lots they can't, they pick the
>> former.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>
> That sounds like completely logical reasoning to me. Of course the English
> over Lojban trend will probably change- at least when they are talking to
> you- as they become more vocally capable.
>
> --
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sadly, I disagree with Jonathan about the twins choosing L=
ojban over English to talk to Robin. I know of a boy in a household where b=
oth parents used German and English daily, but the family lived in Germany,=
 and the boy spoke only German, although he could understand his mother jus=
t fine. He very early gave up ever speaking English, even to her.=A0<div>

<br></div><div>Despite this story, though, I have high hopes for Robin and =
his twins.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>stevo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM, =
Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Complete segway here:<br><d=
iv><br>Many if not all twins eventually develop a language which only they =
know, so that they can converse with each other at any time and be assured =
privacy.<br>

<br></div><div>What are your hopes/expectations regarding the two using Loj=
ban for that purpose?<br>
</div><div><div><div><div><div class=3D"im"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Robin Lee Po=
well <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">As of this week, sometimes.<br>
<br>
Up until then, not really, no; they&#39;d simply elide one letter or the<br=
>
other; {dirba} -&gt; &quot;DIH-ba&quot;, &quot;fart&quot; -&gt; &quot;faht&=
quot;, &quot;aunt&quot; -&gt; &quot;aht&quot;.<br>
<br>
There are a lot more English words where that works without<br>
confusion, and a *LOT* more English words that simply don&#39;t have any<br=
>
significant consonant clusters. =A0They&#39;ve been saying &quot;banana&quo=
t; (or at<br>
least &quot;nana&quot;) for ages, for example.<br>
<br>
This was my point: given the choice between a language with lots of<br>
words they can see, and one with lots they can&#39;t, they pick the<br>
former.<br>
<br>
-Robin<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">That sounds l=
ike completely logical reasoning to me. Of course the English over Lojban t=
rend will probably change- at least when they are talking to you- as they b=
ecome more vocally capable.<br clear=3D"all">


</div><div class=3D"im"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#=
39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk=
. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D=
 )<br>


</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=
=3D"h5">

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