Received: from mail-qa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.216.63]:32845) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvlf-0001PO-4h for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:56:07 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id j7sf931600qaq.18 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=YtT+yQXAIZFseaEdcUD7qA1fLBTt1f0diYP9yiRZzWw=; b=XUcodfzmKNZ1s/+cezVvGk5NG5Mw2QAQXYSijLL5PehkUl94k/KjcUK2ESW4ApwLGU EoTJ2kI9LQDBF9RfF5inkFIGpaV0u+wO4gE1f5hFibp+66gt9yrq/Edo7ONEW6jUuN2A nR0EcAWC/7e3ChAmF9Fg0+2vvFJ3UMmgqIHkHfZO0Dt3ZmCJK90BlufOp5NFgKGv20cG RTVoR0iBYKj+fj45c02nTzORSApBMO6phZA+AAlFIAiZpuSJ7ZDeuDVOC7aJzKKx+xMP teE5UNxNDTSCNXrOhaRfTiWUysO5qOmsMpjzYUu/ATUTZ08AYojMwCW1ZylVO+cbxO1+ sM7A== X-Received: by 10.50.44.67 with SMTP id c3mr127659igm.13.1378234552762; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.12.2 with SMTP id u2ls2416937igb.11.canary; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.186.4 with SMTP id fg4mr10513453pac.33.1378234552310; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hx4si1777717pad.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VGvlX-0001PG-Bw for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:55:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:55:51 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban: it's not for babies. Message-ID: <20130903185551.GF762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20130902084209.GA17067@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20130903094348.GE26755@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20130903100132.GF26755@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / .i cumki .i ku'i mi na tugni .i ge'e On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 07:48:28AM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: > .ienai pe'i lo nu le jbocifnu cu cuxna lo glico mu'i lo ka se > frili lo nu bacru keiku na.e lo ka tirna gy ca piso'e lo donri .i > ru'a va'o lo nu da'i lo lojbo cu ralju lo'i zdani bangu keiku ly > se nelrai ru > --gejyspa > > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > As of this week, sometimes. > > > > Up until then, not really, no; they'd simply elide one letter or the > > other; {dirba} -> "DIH-ba", "fart" -> "faht", "aunt" -> "aht". > > > > There are a lot more English words where that works without > > confusion, and a *LOT* more English words that simply don't have any > > significant consonant clusters. They've been saying "banana" (or at > > least "nana") for ages, for example. > > > > This was my point: given the choice between a language with lots of > > words they can see, and one with lots they can't, they pick the > > former. > > > > -Robin > > > > On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 03:50:09AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Can they do clusters /at all/? > > > > > > > > > Also, can they say "pigeon"? I ask because if they can say "pigeon", then > > > {cidja} shouldn't be too far down the road from pronounceable, I expect. > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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