Received: from mail-qe0-f59.google.com ([209.85.128.59]:57815) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VGxKG-0002Ed-IA for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:59 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f59.google.com with SMTP id i11sf131013qej.24 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=a2WIuFtFklOP4UUkwaaRh9mYcxt38Wqmdd+8mwRAEN8=; b=b8kS3/hj32xwVg5bntx33CWPwEhSFNpmLaZHLBr/yiquvuk98R7y344K1JZgo1wH8p z/jShY3rCLogq4KplRolIIHTWXiP7/be/8F6BmryLaabYQhTtHH+RZ7cJkSp8jaK92dV aFYON19LlK/u8jI5pAxKTzMK4m1idhYLeiiT0mREu2kjd6p8f0l4BaXKEGRL/lzb35KF iiV4kH7dRKJ2/mTd24fAh90bYrAqMikuEZL/SzpILeAzbOaXz7JToT95NHciQzVAI1ok 29aapI41yHjL+cKrCZhXeb4bXbVzIh+IZiLjlzDHhsgcC13iZBx9llfMfmyu0L0S97I/ l9wg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=a2WIuFtFklOP4UUkwaaRh9mYcxt38Wqmdd+8mwRAEN8=; b=JaMSeum/PsdeRL+y2Q3eDuXIQw293iFfoDHbCxII1+3PN6mFN/+E9du9Y8zQyPWpch XQejrwyl9wuJ7FLUx8dHSqpoJfqVkffH2XRq7sizGM7b6JumscsNiKkFAaOh2YJUnrc2 K4a9ia/yL6OX5w+8Em+mhHy6oKTyBCvBnLruQGH60TfjbuVKJBqpcfWWzO45JYBeSJlD Xi19xXpyXCZtp8qmr9dzH6oHfjHx/oHIFMH73zpiLTwDQSrJU3O7FllOFuitut5HNwlk D+JNRYhPt2mOOP+9HdacsvankD7fT739Og1a/jQN09WqFwGSZZbfrUNLki0cVBQmIZYS u3bw== X-Received: by 10.50.73.132 with SMTP id l4mr1002932igv.0.1378240542193; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.20.103 with SMTP id m7ls552180ige.43.gmail; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.95.202 with SMTP id g10mr16333055icn.20.1378240541823; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k14si2327066igt.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a; Received: by mail-ob0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id eh20so6448114obb.1 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.60.71 with SMTP id f7mr1745298oer.82.1378240541666; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.112.164 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <522642B1.7010404@lojban.org> References: <522642B1.7010404@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban: it's not for babies. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149ca10e6ba2204e580a12f X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0149ca10e6ba2204e580a12f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >> Pro-tip: there is not a toddler in the world that can emit the >> difference between {cidja} and {citka}. >> > > That is interesting, since in English, the sound of dj isn't considered a > consonant cluster. Yes, but it's produced by most toddlers as /d/. /j/ is a late articulation, not usually until age 5, likewise proper pronunciations of, /sh/, /ch/, /ng/, /s/, and /z/, so I really wouldn't worry about jbocifnu. They're perfectly normal in this regard. --gejyspa (did I mention that my wife, besides having a masters in special education of mutiply handicapped/hearing impaired, did her undergrad work in speech language pathology?) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e0149ca10e6ba2204e580a12f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LL= G <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Robin Lee Powell wrote:
Pro-tip: there is not a toddler in the world that can emit the
difference between {cidja} and {citka}.

That is interesting, since in English, the sound of dj isn't considered= a consonant cluster.

=A0 =A0 Yes, but it's produ= ced by most toddlers as /d/. =A0/j/ is a late articulation, not usually unt= il age 5, likewise proper pronunciations of, /sh/, /ch/, /ng/, /s/, and /z/= , so I really wouldn't worry about jbocifnu. =A0They're perfectly n= ormal in this regard.

=A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa (did I mention that my wife, besides having a= masters in special education of mutiply handicapped/hearing impaired, did = her undergrad work in speech language pathology?)

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