Received: from mail-vc0-f187.google.com ([209.85.220.187]:64695) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VGxtN-0002UY-U3 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:12:11 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f187.google.com with SMTP id id13sf1540156vcb.14 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:11:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nJFMZo7Ct6pRYv1p5hJsclF04JP3iym4BZjQqO5VyME=; b=HhWp1twbqqKA64QS5iY9fGd9zjm37TkWVNWIcioBVELVyK/eBUV6eRKIwAAayc2WKC UzAaPKNUXp06GS40JZd8acFvm4cXTCAorzu6EVEtgXlx6+a+O5woWhv2Ps1ncPkybddS ul79y3rnWHMm0WqhyvNxRle5TvRKRAQG+ejCF9iy0N/qBtBrbimp3K1EVYBEcYdSTg3x aOtgmt8awv5tAypwZrCNjLJiI4iVyBrHFyXJsFjz92sZxyjnWJt+G7tsNvkGAQ3B5zLO BibNqMgFgq+F3Gxsff1wbRlrvP8sp8vXlBxxfqyeH17IoHS2RoYyrDCCZcqSYwN1JyPR KWCQ== X-Received: by 10.49.3.134 with SMTP id c6mr495410qec.0.1378242719442; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.59.14 with SMTP id v14ls886091qeq.87.gmail; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.129.65 with SMTP id nu1mr6379qeb.41.1378242718705; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: iesk To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <522642B1.7010404@lojban.org> References: <522642B1.7010404@lojban.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban: it's not for babies. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: pa.fae@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2813_4590952.1378242718291" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2813_4590952.1378242718291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lojbab: >The corresponding lojban baby-talk name >might be "dib." or plausibly "dir.", or >hearkening back to Cinderelwood, "paf."=20 =E2=80=A6 each containing a consonant cluster, and (possibly, in a global= =20 perspective) a relatively weird one: /dib=CA=94/, /dir=CA=94/, /paf=CA=94/.= >:->=20 (Although, admittedly, the grammar allows for eliding the /=CA=94/ at the e= nd of=20 the speech stream.) While babies=E2=80=99 (in)competence to enunciate consonant clusters is pro= bably=20 the same all over the globe, languages=E2=80=99 phonologies are not. So, I = guess=20 Tahitian baby talk will sound more or less like =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 Tahi= tian before=20 Nux=C3=A1lk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nux%C3%A1lk_language#Syllables = =E2=80=A6 wtf)=20 baby talk sounds like =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 Nux=C3=A1lk. I=E2=80=99m not sure how much that has to do with language preference in bi= lingual=20 households. -iesk --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_2813_4590952.1378242718291 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
lojbab:
>The corresponding lojban baby-talk name
= >might be "dib." or plausibly "dir.", or
>hearkening back to Cinde= relwood, "paf."

=E2=80=A6 each containing a consonant cluster, and = (possibly, in a global perspective) a relatively weird one: /dib=CA=94/, /d= ir=CA=94/, /paf=CA=94/. >:-> (Although, admittedly, the grammar allow= s for eliding the /=CA=94/ at the end of the speech stream.)

While b= abies=E2=80=99 (in)competence to enunciate consonant clusters is probably t= he same all over the globe, languages=E2=80=99 phonologies are not. So, I g= uess Tahitian baby talk will sound more or less like =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99= Tahitian before Nux=C3=A1lk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nux%C3%A1lk_lang= uage#Syllables =E2=80=A6 wtf) baby talk sounds like =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 = Nux=C3=A1lk.

I=E2=80=99m not sure how much that has to do with langu= age preference in bilingual households.

-iesk

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