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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:02:18 -0400
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I have never before heard that speech strings end in a glottal stop,
especially for English or Lojban. The denpa pu is not always a glottal
stop. It can be just absence of sound. No elision required.

stevo


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:11 PM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:

> lojbab:
>
> >The corresponding lojban baby-talk name
> >might be "dib." or plausibly "dir.", or
> >hearkening back to Cinderelwood, "paf."
>
> =E2=80=A6 each containing a consonant cluster, and (possibly, in a global
> perspective) a relatively weird one: /dib=CA=94/, /dir=CA=94/, /paf=CA=94=
/. >:->
> (Although, admittedly, the grammar allows for eliding the /=CA=94/ at the=
 end of
> the speech stream.)
>
> While babies=E2=80=99 (in)competence to enunciate consonant clusters is p=
robably
> the same all over the globe, languages=E2=80=99 phonologies are not. So, =
I guess
> Tahitian baby talk will sound more or less like =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 Ta=
hitian before
> Nux=C3=A1lk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nux%C3%A1lk_language#Syllables =
=E2=80=A6
> wtf) baby talk sounds like =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 Nux=C3=A1lk.
>
> I=E2=80=99m not sure how much that has to do with language preference in =
bilingual
> households.
>
> -iesk
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have never before=C2=A0heard=C2=A0that speech strings en=
d in a glottal stop, especially for English or Lojban. The denpa pu is not =
always a glottal stop. It can be just absence of sound. No elision required=
.=C2=A0<div><br>

</div><div>stevo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:11 PM, iesk <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:pa.fae@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">pa.fae@gmx.de</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">lojbab:<div class=3D"im"><b=
r>&gt;The corresponding lojban baby-talk name<br>&gt;might be &quot;dib.&qu=
ot; or plausibly &quot;dir.&quot;, or<br>

&gt;hearkening back to Cinderelwood, &quot;paf.&quot; <br><br></div>=E2=80=
=A6 each containing a consonant cluster, and (possibly, in a global perspec=
tive) a relatively weird one: /dib=CA=94/, /dir=CA=94/, /paf=CA=94/. &gt;:-=
&gt; (Although, admittedly, the grammar allows for eliding the /=CA=94/ at =
the end of the speech stream.)<br>

<br>While babies=E2=80=99 (in)competence to enunciate consonant clusters is=
 probably the same all over the globe, languages=E2=80=99 phonologies are n=
ot. So, I guess Tahitian baby talk will sound more or less like =E2=80=98re=
al=E2=80=99 Tahitian before Nux=C3=A1lk (<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Nux%C3%A1lk_language#Syllables" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia=
.org/wiki/Nux%C3%A1lk_language#Syllables</a> =E2=80=A6 wtf) baby talk sound=
s like =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 Nux=C3=A1lk.<br>

<br>I=E2=80=99m not sure how much that has to do with language preference i=
n bilingual households.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br><=
br>-iesk</font></span></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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