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Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban: it's not for babies.
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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Monday, September 02, 2013 09:10:55 Michael Turniansky wrote:
> >   ka zasti kei cipra .i ro da poi bangu zo'u lo rirni be lo mumei be'o
> no'u
> > mi ka'e jungau do lo du'u lo selba'u be lo nanca be li ji'ire cu na jai
> > frili fai lo nu jimpe va'o lo nu ba'e da verclubau be ra . ie la lojban
> > vasru so'i zunsna  bakfu .i ku'i la gliban ji'a go'i  .ije la ru'oban
> go'i
> > .i ru'a la spaban cu zmadu fi lo ka lo cifnu cu klina bacru ce'u.i
> > jetnu du'o la'a do fa lo du'u lo selylai be lo valsi poi lo verba cu
> jimpe
> > cu zmadu lo selylai be lo valsi poi lo verba cu bacru. i lo nu le
> jbocifnu
> > cu jimbe cu se manci .i do gunka va'o lo banli nandu .i do'o xabju lo
> > relbau zdani .ije do tavla fo lo mleca bangu .i lo da'i nu fliba cu na
> spaji
>
> xu lo nu lo drata lojbo cu cafne vitke do gi'e tavla fo la .lojban. kei cu
> sidju?
>

  da'i do te preti fo mi  .i go go'e gi lo vitke cu tavla  fo la lojban
po'o to vi lo cifnu toi

  ni'o mi kucli lo si'o makau fasnu  baza lo nanca be li pa ca lo nu lo
cifnu cu co'i farvi fo lo me la'o gy Why? gy .i cy pilno lu mu'i ma li'u ji
lu  ri'a ma li'u ji lu ki'u ma li'u ji lu ni'i ma li'u

.ita'o mi da'i cusku lu frili fai lo nu jimpe .iju makau velclibau da li'u
>
> >   So, reality check here.  As a parent of 5, I can tell you, that
> > articulation of almost-2-year-olds ain't exactly easy to understand no
> > matter WHAT their native language is. And yes, lojban is chockful of
> > consonant clusters, but so is English.  And Russian.  Presumably Spanish
> > would be easier for toddlers to enunciate more clearly.  And it's always
> > true, as I"m sure you know, that kids understand far more than what they
> > can produce.  The fact they can and do understand it is great, though.
>  You
> > are already working with two strikes against you since you are in a
> > bilingual household, speaking the minority language.  Failure would not
> be
> > surprising.
>
> Would it help if other Lojbanists came over often and talked in Lojban?
>

  If you are addressing me, then "yes, but if and only if  the guests spoke
only lojban (in front of the babies)"

 I wonder what will happen in a year's time when they are in the English
"Why?" phase.  Will they use "mu'i ma", "ri'a ma", "ki'u ma", or "ni'i ma"?

      --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div>On Monday, September 02, 2013 09:10:55 Michael Turnia=
nsky wrote:<br>

&gt; =A0 ka zasti kei cipra .i ro da poi bangu zo&#39;u lo rirni be lo mume=
i be&#39;o no&#39;u<br>
&gt; mi ka&#39;e jungau do lo du&#39;u lo selba&#39;u be lo nanca be li ji&=
#39;ire cu na jai<br>
&gt; frili fai lo nu jimpe va&#39;o lo nu ba&#39;e da verclubau be ra . ie =
la lojban<br>
&gt; vasru so&#39;i zunsna =A0bakfu .i ku&#39;i la gliban ji&#39;a go&#39;i=
 =A0.ije la ru&#39;oban go&#39;i<br>
&gt; .i ru&#39;a la spaban cu zmadu fi lo ka lo cifnu cu klina bacru ce&#39=
;u.i<br>
&gt; jetnu du&#39;o la&#39;a do fa lo du&#39;u lo selylai be lo valsi poi l=
o verba cu jimpe<br>
&gt; cu zmadu lo selylai be lo valsi poi lo verba cu bacru. i lo nu le jboc=
ifnu<br>
&gt; cu jimbe cu se manci .i do gunka va&#39;o lo banli nandu .i do&#39;o x=
abju lo<br>
&gt; relbau zdani .ije do tavla fo lo mleca bangu .i lo da&#39;i nu fliba c=
u na spaji<br>
<br>
</div>xu lo nu lo drata lojbo cu cafne vitke do gi&#39;e tavla fo la .lojba=
n. kei cu<br>
sidju?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 da&#39;i do te preti fo mi =
=A0.i go go&#39;e gi lo vitke cu tavla =A0fo la lojban po&#39;o to vi lo ci=
fnu toi</div><div><br></div><div>=A0 ni&#39;o mi kucli lo si&#39;o makau fa=
snu =A0baza lo nanca be li pa ca lo nu lo cifnu cu co&#39;i farvi fo lo me =
la&#39;o gy Why? gy .i cy pilno lu mu&#39;i ma li&#39;u ji lu =A0ri&#39;a m=
a li&#39;u ji lu ki&#39;u ma li&#39;u ji lu ni&#39;i ma li&#39;u</div>

<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
.ita&#39;o mi da&#39;i cusku lu frili fai lo nu jimpe .iju makau velclibau =
da li&#39;u<br>
<div><br>
&gt; =A0 So, reality check here. =A0As a parent of 5, I can tell you, that<=
br>
&gt; articulation of almost-2-year-olds ain&#39;t exactly easy to understan=
d no<br>
&gt; matter WHAT their native language is. And yes, lojban is chockful of<b=
r>
&gt; consonant clusters, but so is English. =A0And Russian. =A0Presumably S=
panish<br>
&gt; would be easier for toddlers to enunciate more clearly. =A0And it&#39;=
s always<br>
&gt; true, as I&quot;m sure you know, that kids understand far more than wh=
at they<br>
&gt; can produce. =A0The fact they can and do understand it is great, thoug=
h. =A0You<br>
&gt; are already working with two strikes against you since you are in a<br=
>
&gt; bilingual household, speaking the minority language. =A0Failure would =
not be<br>
&gt; surprising.<br>
<br>
</div>Would it help if other Lojbanists came over often and talked in Lojba=
n?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 If you are addressing me, then &=
quot;yes, but if and only if =A0the guests spoke only lojban (in front of t=
he babies)&quot;</div>

<div><br></div><div>=A0I wonder what will happen in a year&#39;s time when =
they are in the English &quot;Why?&quot; phase. =A0Will they use &quot;mu&#=
39;i ma&quot;, &quot;ri&#39;a ma&quot;, &quot;ki&#39;u ma&quot;, or &quot;n=
i&#39;i ma&quot;?</div>

<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div></div><=
/div>

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