Received: from mail-pa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.220.63]:46772) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VIZ4A-000239-WA for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:06:01 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id hz10sf1148198pad.18 for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ABENm+Qq5ko7DhdQtRGqLYE2wZuAfVwaUTyHlCl/w7Q=; b=BaejM2Nmi2glluvY019eqdBHPyohkqVxOIeAlZ2uocD92UqWrZX6JHKD1wCb53iir8 ObBFPDv6hcMwsHMzHQaLm2rIXufu3B0k5MCAuxjdi82VkHv3I0+ZGSOv5Wn5Em9Xj+f4 aBMCKKNCb/F/yqWTenAYV6nN2Q2pATjCg6qf5dB1Sy6zo0zxvD8vVpgRtF1IZ9W1MqTx IFHh1SNfgjWpIExs3r71BJwb0oQO+Om00zICysdhqVt6bLGmkYx5w4DRluzOmvEg9mod o99GEWqTqCKgNvRuExGugFgF931osHjG7mhP7S7G8PnOudct4lA69bSqfzqICxsyZnDL fIWQ== X-Received: by 10.49.14.132 with SMTP id p4mr485114qec.2.1378623943660; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.96.66 with SMTP id dq2ls412394qeb.83.gmail; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.205.143 with SMTP id lg15mr852082vec.13.1378623943331; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x233.google.com (mail-ve0-x233.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id di9si529464vdc.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::233; Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id c14so2627395vea.24 for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.74.69 with SMTP id t5mr11395065vcj.18.1378623943208; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.181.131 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 00:05:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130902084209.GA17067@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <34462158.0aVyKth4Fk@caracal> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 03:05:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban: it's not for babies. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) d=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b624cbe69f5ab04e5d9e683 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b624cbe69f5ab04e5d9e683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Or all, depending on the sense? stevo On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Monday, September 02, 2013 09:10:55 Michael Turniansky wrote: >> > ka zasti kei cipra .i ro da poi bangu zo'u lo rirni be lo mumei be'o >> no'u >> > mi ka'e jungau do lo du'u lo selba'u be lo nanca be li ji'ire cu na jai >> > frili fai lo nu jimpe va'o lo nu ba'e da verclubau be ra . ie la lojban >> > vasru so'i zunsna bakfu .i ku'i la gliban ji'a go'i .ije la ru'oban >> go'i >> > .i ru'a la spaban cu zmadu fi lo ka lo cifnu cu klina bacru ce'u.i >> > jetnu du'o la'a do fa lo du'u lo selylai be lo valsi poi lo verba cu >> jimpe >> > cu zmadu lo selylai be lo valsi poi lo verba cu bacru. i lo nu le >> jbocifnu >> > cu jimbe cu se manci .i do gunka va'o lo banli nandu .i do'o xabju lo >> > relbau zdani .ije do tavla fo lo mleca bangu .i lo da'i nu fliba cu na >> spaji >> >> xu lo nu lo drata lojbo cu cafne vitke do gi'e tavla fo la .lojban. kei cu >> sidju? >> > > da'i do te preti fo mi .i go go'e gi lo vitke cu tavla fo la lojban > po'o to vi lo cifnu toi > > ni'o mi kucli lo si'o makau fasnu baza lo nanca be li pa ca lo nu lo > cifnu cu co'i farvi fo lo me la'o gy Why? gy .i cy pilno lu mu'i ma li'u ji > lu ri'a ma li'u ji lu ki'u ma li'u ji lu ni'i ma li'u > > .ita'o mi da'i cusku lu frili fai lo nu jimpe .iju makau velclibau da li'u >> >> > So, reality check here. As a parent of 5, I can tell you, that >> > articulation of almost-2-year-olds ain't exactly easy to understand no >> > matter WHAT their native language is. And yes, lojban is chockful of >> > consonant clusters, but so is English. And Russian. Presumably Spanish >> > would be easier for toddlers to enunciate more clearly. And it's always >> > true, as I"m sure you know, that kids understand far more than what they >> > can produce. The fact they can and do understand it is great, though. >> You >> > are already working with two strikes against you since you are in a >> > bilingual household, speaking the minority language. Failure would not >> be >> > surprising. >> >> Would it help if other Lojbanists came over often and talked in Lojban? >> > > If you are addressing me, then "yes, but if and only if the guests > spoke only lojban (in front of the babies)" > > I wonder what will happen in a year's time when they are in the English > "Why?" phase. Will they use "mu'i ma", "ri'a ma", "ki'u ma", or "ni'i ma"? > > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Or all, depending on the sense?=A0

stev= o


= On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.= com> wrote:



On Tue, Sep 3, 201= 3 at 4:37 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Monday, September 02, 2013 09:10:55 Michael Turnia= nsky wrote:
> =A0 ka zasti kei cipra .i ro da poi bangu zo'u lo rirni be lo mume= i be'o no'u
> mi ka'e jungau do lo du'u lo selba'u be lo nanca be li ji&= #39;ire cu na jai
> frili fai lo nu jimpe va'o lo nu ba'e da verclubau be ra . ie = la lojban
> vasru so'i zunsna =A0bakfu .i ku'i la gliban ji'a go'i= =A0.ije la ru'oban go'i
> .i ru'a la spaban cu zmadu fi lo ka lo cifnu cu klina bacru ce'= ;u.i
> jetnu du'o la'a do fa lo du'u lo selylai be lo valsi poi l= o verba cu jimpe
> cu zmadu lo selylai be lo valsi poi lo verba cu bacru. i lo nu le jboc= ifnu
> cu jimbe cu se manci .i do gunka va'o lo banli nandu .i do'o x= abju lo
> relbau zdani .ije do tavla fo lo mleca bangu .i lo da'i nu fliba c= u na spaji

xu lo nu lo drata lojbo cu cafne vitke do gi'e tavla fo la .lojba= n. kei cu
sidju?

=A0 da'i do te preti f= o mi =A0.i go go'e gi lo vitke cu tavla =A0fo la lojban po'o to vi = lo cifnu toi

=A0 ni'o mi kucli lo si'o mak= au fasnu =A0baza lo nanca be li pa ca lo nu lo cifnu cu co'i farvi fo l= o me la'o gy Why? gy .i cy pilno lu mu'i ma li'u ji lu =A0ri= 9;a ma li'u ji lu ki'u ma li'u ji lu ni'i ma li'u

.ita'o mi da'i cusku lu frili fai lo nu jimpe .iju makau velclibau = da li'u

> =A0 So, reality check here. =A0As a parent of 5, I can tell you, that<= br> > articulation of almost-2-year-olds ain't exactly easy to understan= d no
> matter WHAT their native language is. And yes, lojban is chockful of > consonant clusters, but so is English. =A0And Russian. =A0Presumably S= panish
> would be easier for toddlers to enunciate more clearly. =A0And it'= s always
> true, as I"m sure you know, that kids understand far more than wh= at they
> can produce. =A0The fact they can and do understand it is great, thoug= h. =A0You
> are already working with two strikes against you since you are in a > bilingual household, speaking the minority language. =A0Failure would = not be
> surprising.

Would it help if other Lojbanists came over often and talked in Lojba= n?

=A0 If you are addressing me, = then "yes, but if and only if =A0the guests spoke only lojban (in fron= t of the babies)"

=A0I wonder what will happen in a year's time when = they are in the English "Why?" phase. =A0Will they use "mu&#= 39;i ma", "ri'a ma", "ki'u ma", or "n= i'i ma"?

=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

<= /div>

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