Received: from mail-ob0-f192.google.com ([209.85.214.192]:62403) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VKV2c-0006oG-5U for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:12:20 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f192.google.com with SMTP id va2sf276817obc.29 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=c54q/dC36G/l8P8p09gZt7hmPbtrR79YANnn8jgwUys=; b=Uu59mW0iztcOg3180BU1JvtEqI0ZMVtGdHbPFFPwCpGKxcLqUVu77lH5MKgMKU2y9M NNuI81aVL5I8MOPFAwDQCh7RoWqLBzfPN0Owxlibg0vpWLVQANEicuzs9Huf4g4dwkS5 Q18uHWhaQg4z0olpLt+oJO4LSxmz5dQSdl+nbUIoKwRJQyH7sK1ylfzs6FCw3sEoezPf 3jqR8g6rtG3wBKrzo2jKMYb2G4MnUlaeXAcYZzN0INm7jVaQEQVa76NgApxdfHuX3qbq jAS1DHw8n7B93N9jcjMKCmPVZyZGFQs0BL+fC1T8xQ/A0t6XSdtddtwNX6OzQ/YZN2Aw l9Qw== X-Received: by 10.49.129.65 with SMTP id nu1mr4164qeb.41.1379085127334; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.71.231 with SMTP id y7ls1140686qeu.39.gmail; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.115.37 with SMTP id jl5mr137712vdb.5.1379085126829; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id en4si1388884qcb.2.1969.12.31.16.00.00; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA2B2F9A4 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2229272.6muHyv4q6E@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-51-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5233134D.4000909@gmx.de> References: <4826829.TDgBt4GNPr@caracal> <5233134D.4000909@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, September 13, 2013 15:29:49 selpa'i wrote: > Use {vu'o}: > > "doi lo flatadni .e lo pricaio vu'o noi tradutxu'a ku'o do ..." ki'e do > I also replaced {do'o} with {do}. Is he talking about scribes and Pharisees in general, or just the ones at the dinner? > (I can't quite tell which verse from Matthew 23 this is, though I guess > it's 23:27) It's Luke 11:44. This started a week or two ago when I came across the Malay and Javanese word "lombok" (I don't know where they got the word; the plant is not native to the area). This (or some close cognate) is obviously the source of Tok Pisin "lombo" in "kawawar na lombo na olgeta kain kumu" (lo zingibero .e lo kapsiku .e lo vrici stagi). A Tok Pisin speaker told me years ago that they say "sili" instead of "lombo", but the Tok Pisin NT says "lombo", and the Malay word supports the meaning. So I translated it into Lojban, of course referring to the Greek and Aramaic, as "lo diosmo .e lo .armala .e lo vrici stagi". Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.