Received: from mail-pb0-f64.google.com ([209.85.160.64]:34527) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VKarL-0001c4-UP for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:25:07 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f64.google.com with SMTP id xb4sf364894pbc.19 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:24:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Fqm8XmelTEBbo69c5mO5Drbs1WShklf1PpkhpcUDhWU=; b=RvVjlj2H8JItH9rqtrSdQ8ukslln2GF+i1eFJ4mmtm3vARik3Q89mLXN7LiABlu6cF oHinJbxMY5gdDqi98Zy7uw30hGhlb0oY8bcFt3Hny6krp+gTZibJqxMpHgVtF0v6JfUX gxCzP5KJivipcIMGQr8mJ8pQFbuYJonsezRgblBi4UMvT+jM9bRDKMVp67owoT8KnTew cbSjG/VEOIoIMkPrMZpCx0nMJ6hDJhK3y8ColgPzupCyKNRCr/M84JRe2bWJGekcAEez hI0SxNSUxsTJ2uROoa9ZnyG6dHa97EOr/ZkIQkO7+bsRSB42FA5lBI+R6i7uMst7rCGW Y2DQ== X-Received: by 10.49.13.10 with SMTP id d10mr230qec.28.1379107491705; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.42.39 with SMTP id k7ls1291356qel.52.gmail; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.238.199 with SMTP id vm7mr1102709vec.17.1379107490301; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id en4si1628200qcb.2.1969.12.31.16.00.00; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0772AD00 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 17:24:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 17:24:44 -0400 Message-ID: <19706477.VOTKt9OGP6@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-51-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5233332F.2040505@gmx.de> References: <4826829.TDgBt4GNPr@caracal> <2229272.6muHyv4q6E@caracal> <5233332F.2040505@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, September 13, 2013 17:45:51 selpa'i wrote: > I think he is simply speaking to all Pharisees. To him, all Pharisees > are the same (at least in this context), so {do} refers to all of them, > whether or not they are present at the dinner. > > The problem with {do'o} would be that the "others" it involves needn't > be other *Pharisees*, so I'd avoid it here. Changed and committed. > Yeah, I realized right after sending the mail. But in Luke 11:44, he > only addresses the Pharisees, not the teachers of the law, at least in > the versions I have. (though the chapter as a whole is about both groups) Manuscript variation. The majority, the Peshitta, and A have the phrase "scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites"; p45 and the rest of the manuscripts from Egypt, and therefore Nestle-Aland and UBS, omit it. Pierre -- ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.