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 Content preview:  I think the definition of “fi'i” on jbovlaste is just wrong.
    The current definition is: > vocative: hospitality - inhospitality; you are
    welcome/ make yourself > at home. This definition contradicts itself, since
    “You’re welcome!”/“You are welcome!” is a response to “Thank you”, and is
    NOT used to indicate hospitality. A simple “Welcome!” is used for that instead.
    According to the CLL <http://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/>, clearly the “Welcome!”
    meaning is actually meant by “fi'i” and not the “You’re welcome!” meaning.
    But there are some Lojbanists that seem to confuse that. Part of the confusion
    may be caused by this definition on jbovlaste. [...] 
 
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I think the definition of =93fi'i=94 on jbovlaste is just wrong.

The current definition is:
> vocative: hospitality - inhospitality; you are welcome/ make yourself
> at home.
This definition contradicts itself, since =93You=92re welcome!=94/=93You ar=
e
welcome!=94 is a response to =93Thank you=94, and is NOT used to indicate
hospitality. A simple =93Welcome!=94 is used for that instead. According to
the CLL <http://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/>, clearly the =93Welcome!=94
meaning is actually meant by =93fi'i=94 and not the =93You=92re welcome!=94
meaning.  But there are some Lojbanists that seem to confuse that. Part
of the confusion may be caused by this definition on jbovlaste.

I propose the following new definition:
> vocative: hospitality - inhospitality; =93Welcome! / Make yourself at
> home.

I propose to add the following notes for extra clarity:
> {fi'i} does not mean =93You=92re welcome=94. For =93You=92re welcome!=94 =
(as a
> response to =93Thank you!=94/{ki'e}), use {je'e} instead.
Probably a link to the relevant part of the CLL
<http://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/> could be added as well (if that
haven=92t already happened).

Normally, I make changes to jbovlaste directly, but I make an exception
for cmavo and gismu, because messing with their definitions is serious
business. I want to hear your opinions first.

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