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  I don't actually use "You're welcome" and "You are welcome"
interchangeably, despite the fact that one is, logically speaking, only a
contraction of the other.  I would never use the latter as a response to
"Thank you" Nonetheless, I do agree  that the proposed changes are
appropriate, and should be made.

  (But this really belongs on the jbovlaste gorup, not the main)

          --gejyspa


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:

> I think the definition of =93fi'i=94 on jbovlaste is just wrong.
>
> The current definition is:
> > vocative: hospitality - inhospitality; you are welcome/ make yourself
> > at home.
> This definition contradicts itself, since =93You=92re welcome!=94/=93You =
are
> welcome!=94 is a response to =93Thank you=94, and is NOT used to indicate
> hospitality. A simple =93Welcome!=94 is used for that instead. According =
to
> the CLL <http://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/>, clearly the =93Welcome!=94
> meaning is actually meant by =93fi'i=94 and not the =93You=92re welcome!=
=94
> meaning.  But there are some Lojbanists that seem to confuse that. Part
> of the confusion may be caused by this definition on jbovlaste.
>
> I propose the following new definition:
> > vocative: hospitality - inhospitality; =93Welcome! / Make yourself at
> > home.
>
> I propose to add the following notes for extra clarity:
> > {fi'i} does not mean =93You=92re welcome=94. For =93You=92re welcome!=
=94 (as a
> > response to =93Thank you!=94/{ki'e}), use {je'e} instead.
> Probably a link to the relevant part of the CLL
> <http://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/> could be added as well (if that
> haven=92t already happened).
>
> Normally, I make changes to jbovlaste directly, but I make an exception
> for cmavo and gismu, because messing with their definitions is serious
> business. I want to hear your opinions first.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 I don&#39;t actually use &quot;You&#39;re welcome&quot=
; and &quot;You are welcome&quot; interchangeably, despite the fact that on=
e is, logically speaking, only a contraction of the other. =A0I would never=
 use the latter as a response to &quot;Thank you&quot; Nonetheless, I do ag=
ree =A0that the proposed changes are appropriate, and should be made.<div>
<br></div><div>=A0 (But this really belongs on the jbovlaste gorup, not the=
 main)</div><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div><br=
></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Wuzzy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:almikes@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">almikes@aol.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think the definition of =93fi&#39;i=94 on =
jbovlaste is just wrong.<br>
<br>
The current definition is:<br>
&gt; vocative: hospitality - inhospitality; you are welcome/ make yourself<=
br>
&gt; at home.<br>
This definition contradicts itself, since =93You=92re welcome!=94/=93You ar=
e<br>
welcome!=94 is a response to =93Thank you=94, and is NOT used to indicate<b=
r>
hospitality. A simple =93Welcome!=94 is used for that instead. According to=
<br>
the CLL &lt;<a href=3D"http://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/</a>&gt;, clearly the =93Welcome!=94<br>
meaning is actually meant by =93fi&#39;i=94 and not the =93You=92re welcome=
!=94<br>
meaning. =A0But there are some Lojbanists that seem to confuse that. Part<b=
r>
of the confusion may be caused by this definition on jbovlaste.<br>
<br>
I propose the following new definition:<br>
&gt; vocative: hospitality - inhospitality; =93Welcome! / Make yourself at<=
br>
&gt; home.<br>
<br>
I propose to add the following notes for extra clarity:<br>
&gt; {fi&#39;i} does not mean =93You=92re welcome=94. For =93You=92re welco=
me!=94 (as a<br>
&gt; response to =93Thank you!=94/{ki&#39;e}), use {je&#39;e} instead.<br>
Probably a link to the relevant part of the CLL<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://dag.github.io/cll/13/14/" target=3D"_blank">http://da=
g.github.io/cll/13/14/</a>&gt; could be added as well (if that<br>
haven=92t already happened).<br>
<br>
Normally, I make changes to jbovlaste directly, but I make an exception<br>
for cmavo and gismu, because messing with their definitions is serious<br>
business. I want to hear your opinions first.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
Wuzzy<br>
XMPP: <a href=3D"mailto:Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de">Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de</a><br>
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