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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: This Audience Participation Exercise comes in three questions. I expect, encourage, and ask for CALM debate, however, as we have a no-debate/no arguing policy on the nintadni list, please restrict all debate to the main one. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (eyeonus[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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Also, if you like this kind of APE, let me know, I'll think of others. I imagine this will be easier than trying to think of new ways to get you to jbociska, like the earlier set was. ;) mu'o mi'e .aionys. to ti benji lo mi samterci'a be la.android. toi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e0122976c8cf84c04e6bbbce3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

This Audience Participation Exercise comes in three questions. I expect, encourage, and ask for CALM debate, however, as we have a no-debate/no arguing policy on the nintadni list, please restrict all debate to the main one.

{ko'a jungau ko'e lo na'e jetnu .i ru na'e jungau ra lo jetnu .i ru bacru noda}
"He tells them something other than the truth. He does something other than tell them the truth. He says nothing."

1: What circumstances can be described by /only one/ of the first two bridi? (I'd like examples both ways, please.)
2: What circumstances can be described by /both/ of the first two bridi?
3: I think the last bridi is an example answer for 2. Why am I right or wrong?

Also, if you like this kind of APE, let me know, I'll think of others. I imagine this will be easier than trying to think of new ways to get you to jbociska, like the earlier set was. ;)

mu'o mi'e .aionys.

to ti benji lo mi samterci'a be la.android. toi

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